Is anyone here so hardcore that they don’t even bother with mainstream social media? If its not on Lemmy or Mastodon it must not be important? Anyone that hardcore?
Is anyone here so hardcore that they don’t even bother with mainstream social media? If its not on Lemmy or Mastodon it must not be important? Anyone that hardcore?
For some reason I don’t count youtube as social media - If I went to reddit and read comments without voting that would count, but youtube is just a video delivery platform (and I don’t read the comments). Not sure if that’s a real distinction I can make
That’s fair. I think it kind of depends on how much you interact with creators and their communities. (comment sections, comunity posts, live content, etc)
Reddit isn’t social media, YouTube isn’t social media. People started branding anything with a comment thread as social media and it’s nonsensical. Criteria for social media: 1. Must allow following any user 2. Users must not be anonymous 3. Must be able to interact with, chat, send messages to, etc. any user. 4. All of the above must be the main point of the site.
Reddit is a forum of forums. The point is aggregated news feed for different forums. User to user social interaction is not the main point, and the user to user interaction that occurs is forum interaction, which existed decades before social media.
YouTube is a video sharing site. It has comment sections just like any news site.
If YouTube is social media then literally any news site is social media. If Reddit is social media then every forum on the planet is social media. Neither of those things make sense, therefore they’re not social media.
Sorry I just absolutely hate that everyone refers to anything with a comment section as social media now. It completely devalues the word and makes it meaningless.
I think what you’re talking about about are social “networking” sites, vs social “media”. You could also say that it’s a spectrum, some sites are more social media and others more networking.
Who set those rules? Is there standards body that promulgates them? I remember that social media emerged as a term to describe media on which the users provided the content, rather than traditional gatekeepers like newspapers and TV networks. Wikipedia agrees, using special jargon, distinguishing between monologic and dialogic media models.
Reddit is quintessential social media.
Social media emerged as a term to describe Facebook and MySpace, places where you added connections between friends and shared moments of your life with them, not a comment section on a website. Using the term “social media” to describe something that existed before those sites existed devalues the actual worth of forums as a meeting place. There is clearly a difference between something like Twitter and Facebook who’s only purpose is to show you ads and things to get you angry using algorithms and places like Lemmy and really any sort of comment section (Reddit and 4chan included) that are simply people talking to each other.
I would expect most people here would be able to understand the difference and how referring to things that are distinctly not Facebook or Twitter as being in the same category. Reddit, Lemmy, your random double edge razor forum, etc are not social media. They’re forums. They’ve existed for thousands of years.
forum noun fo·rum ˈfȯr-əm plural forums also fora ˈfȯr-ə Synonyms of forum 1 a : the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business b : a public meeting place for open discussion The club provides a forum for people interested in local history. c : a medium (such as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas 2 : a judicial body or assembly : COURT 3 a : a public meeting or lecture involving audience discussion The town has scheduled a public forum to discuss the proposal. b : a program (as on radio or television) involving discussion of a problem usually by several authoritieshttps://xkcd.com/927/
Hmm. For me social media is where end users create the media. So Reddit, Lemmy, YouTube all fit this.
The reason I would call reddit social media is that I don’t agree with any of those rules
The closest I would agree with is 2, and not based on lack of anonymity but instead on persistence of identity, and that being core to the experience
I was part of subreddits where users knew each other as distinct personalities, and could converse across different threads across time, and occasionally IRL from various meetups
When a website doesn’t have a lively and persistent ‘local’ community (maybe geographic, maybe subject etc) it can’t really be social
Social media has nothing to do with being social. People were social on websites long before “social media” existed. Calling forums “social media” is just conflating forums (which have no requirement of having any sort of algorithmic popularity or ranking) with those that do, like Facebook.
Your description of Reddit is literally a description of a forum. For the past 40 years it’s been that way.
4chan is social media.