When will we see some movement on this issue? The debate has been stuck at the same point for years with no indication that the US plans to deliver the submarines and no willingness from our government to back out. Like am I going to be reading the exact same talking points in a decade from now or will something finally change by then?
Things are happening but they’re just not sexy “here’s your submarine mate” things.
This type of “what if it doesn’t work out” question will always be news worthy up until the day a submarine does get delivered.
Sadly, yes you are still going to be reading the same headline a decade from now because we’re not going to receive our first submarine within the next decade, if we receive any at all.
But where will we play Sardines then?
We’re not getting any submarines anyway!!
Surely the cost of just building our own (you know, just in case) is gonna be chump change compared to how much we paid for aukus anyway.
The Collins project taught us that building submarines is not trivial. And that was starting with another country’s R&D (Sweden). We also have no clue how to make a nuclear submarine.
While there issues with the French Barracuda subs, I think we should have had an open conversation with the French instead of secretly entering into the AUKUS pact. The French do have nuclear tech, so using that as an excuse to change after we’d asked them to make us diesel subs is a bit rich. I don’t know whether that’d have made nuclear subs, but I know it would have been something we could have asked about.
You’re probably right. From what I remember most submarine-boffins/recommendations was to build diesel subs anyway - I’m sure if we offer the French some baguettes and a chance to annoy the British they’ll still build us some subs.
Australia will be left with no submarines
if it abandons Aukus, senior defence official warnsAustralia will be left with no submarines regardless of whether it does or does not leave AUKUS. It is not getting any through AUKUS regardless of wishful thinkng. The US has no intention of fulfilling its end of the deal, and the UK are not capable
There must be at least some likelihood of a positive outcome, or some kind of recourse.
I’m happy to acknowledge the ineptitude of our government but public servants in general aren’t just throwing away billions of dollars.
