• FaceDeer@fedia.io
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    9 hours ago

    The article itself is so lacking in substance that it’s hard to even say it’s misleading. The part that seems to be about “AI is too expensive” reads:

    Fortune, citing The Verge, said that Microsoft steered engineers away from Anthropic’s Claude Code and over to GitHub Copilot CLI, even though access to Claude Code was opened only about six months ago.

    Which isn’t “AI is too expensive”, it’s “our in-house AI was cheaper than Anthropic’s service.”

    And the whole rest of the article is just the usual vague “not everyone finds AI useful for everything” and “water usage? Power grids?” And “by 2030 there’ll be a lot more tokens used than today” (which seems contrary to the headline, but whatever).

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      7 hours ago

      The article sucks. That doesn’t change that most companies are still not even remotely cost controlling LLM usage like pretty much anyting else, nor that we even know what real costs, without billions in venture capital subsidies, would look like, other than substantially higher than now.

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    11 hours ago

    I think they typically know that it’s more expensive. They are just making the assumption that the cost will come down drastically in the future and the quality will drastically increase.

    I just don’t think that will happen before all of these companies run out of money.

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      Cost doesn’t come down because a product gets better. Cost comes down over time as you simplify a process or as you streamline and edit it to be faster and cheaper. When it’s faster/cheaper/simpler to make a product you don’t spend as much on production and therefore can sell it more cheaply.

      The other alternative is to make it cheaper by subsidizing the cost with something else like data collection or ads (this is what happened with televisions). This sort of loss leadership is already what’s happening with Generative AI. They started off offering it free to get people in the door, offered more features for a paid plan to hook companies, and now the costs keep going up and they want to add in ads on top of the data collection they were already doing.

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      5 hours ago

      There’s good chance that the cost won’t come down without new hardware. Which those companies will need to buy from scratch, trashing everything they already purchased.

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      10 hours ago

      Business idiots will assume that once their workforce is largely replaced by AI and their company depends on it, AI vendors will make their services cheaper. When have we ever seen SaaS get cheaper over time? Why wouldn’t Anthropic or OpenAI squeeze anyone dumb enough to bet their company on it for everything they’ve got? Cost may drastically drop, although I doubt it, but those margins are for Dario and Sam and the shareholders, not the suckers.

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      8 hours ago

      The costs might come down as hardware production chains are retooled and specialized, the hardware designs become more efficient, and economies of scale catch up.

      The quality won’t drastically improve without some major paradigm shift in model training. All of the reasonably useful and accessible training data has already been collected and processed. There are probably still refinements to be made that will improve output quality incrementally, but after ingesting the entire Internet there’s nothing left to train on. They were already starting to feed LLMs their own output as training input two years ago, which just amplifies the instabilities.

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    10 hours ago

    Let me tell you a little story. I spent 3 hours the other day trying to get AI to fix something. Kept getting it partially fixed and each time it either got a bit better or a bit worse but never fully fixed. I gave up for the day. I came back the next day and started from scratch. I gave it essentially the same starting prompt. It fixed it correctly the first time. 🤷

    I’m sure you’ll ask why I didn’t fix it myself. There are many things I’m good at, but fixing printing issues on various web browsers isn’t one of them. It’s not difficult to verify what the change does, but it can be difficult to figure out what needs to be changed in the first place.

    • CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de
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      4 hours ago

      It’s such a time suck. It is close, so you keep trying.

      It would have been faster to do it yourself but instead, you burned half a day on slop.

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        8 hours ago

        Making sure certain web pages printed properly. Sometimes fixing a problem in one browser breaks it in another. At least with the way it was being done for these pages. I’m not interested in going into further detail.