If you utterly dismiss farmers as incorrigibly stupid rather than trying to talk with them, they will never change. If you leave agricultural workers to the wolves while the fascists pretend to have their backs, will they support you or the fascists?
Did you know most of the majority-black counties in the USA are rural areas in the South that vote overwhelmingly for Democrats? Are they also ejeets that deserve to get their cows screwed?
What about the people who get screwworms in their injuries? That’s gonna be the poor bastards who get employed to work with the livestock. Who works in shitty underpaid farm labour? Poor whites, black people, immigrants. People who have few other choices.
Snobbery against rural areas is just classism. It’s how Republicans could get such a grip on them in the first place. Go ahead and only struggle amongst educated people in the cities and scratch your head when when your country stays fascist. Watch the rural-urban divide get wider.
Yeah none of this is a surprise. Trump has done what he promised. I told many conservatives this, and they just refused to believe it. Or some even dismissed some of the things Trump said “as just politics” claiming he had no intent to keep his crazier campaign promises.
It’s just the standard conservative play-by-play of
It’s not going to happen -> it’s not happening-> maybe it is happening but it’s not our fault -> it is happening but it’s too late to do anything about it. Alternatively replace step 3 with “but the dems do it too!!”
I have spent quite a bit of time trying to convince Irish farmers to be left-wing, to understand that imperialism is the reason their gas prices are high and not the carbon tax. One of the biggest obstacles is that to them the urban left and liberals dismiss them as lost causes. Of course they don’t vote for snobs who don’t know wtf the CAP is and think that everyone outside of Dublin is an idiot redneck. Of course they listen to the silver-tongued devils of the right.
They were consistently surprised I care at all. Is that not shameful?
I live in Washington State, which is a similar size to Ireland. I live on the east side of the state in the second most populated city. Similar to Cork. It has much of the same dynamic. Dublin being like Seattle to us. Everyone loves to complain about the biggest city am I right? So anyways we have one Federal Represenitive for our side of the state and it was usually a liberal and at one point one of the most powerful in Congress (Tom Folley) but since then the Republicans have dominated the slot. Thing is that our area is mostly farm land.
I understand what you are getting at but the reality is that the farmers are not voting in their best interst most of the time. Identity politics are more import to them then the politics of supporting rural farm life. They would rather vote for the person that paints urban voters as haters and gay and baby killers then vote for the liberal that wants to support their school systems and make the environment healthy by controlling the pollution or overuse of the land. Its maddness and frustrating and I see it in real time because I am engaged with it both in personal life and my job.
I get what you mean. I won’t pretend like bigotry isn’t a core plank of the platform of the GOP or Independent Ireland. Still, an awful lot of bigoted people still felt the allure of people like Bernie Sanders and may join a trade union in certain circumstances. Such things also go a long way towards moving them away from bigotry if they succeed, because it shows that gay people and migrants were never the thing making them miserable.
My point though is moreso that saying that the farmers had it coming and giving up on them is not how one digs one’s way out of the pit one is stuck in. I don’t particularly wanna turn my back on conservative communities as irreparably fucked and feel proud of being smarter than them. I would like the community around me to be better. And saying that the farmers had it coming rather than using the opportunity to push them left is essentially patting oneself on the back for moral superiority rather than making life better.
I’m a migrant myself. I chose to come another country and integrate myself. I’d quite like it to be nicer, y’know?
I understand where you’re coming from, but I can’t sympathize with people who hurt themselves trying to hurt me. They did real damage voting the way they did and having to suffer the consequences of their actions is the only justice I’m going to get.
As I said, a bunch of the people hurt by this are gonna be immigrant labourers, black people, etc. They’re in the shit with you, not against you. You’re not gonna get them organized and mobilized to stand alongside you by dismissing them and lumping them in with their bosses.
They’re entitled welfare queens (that absolutely refuse to acknowledge their welfare because they’re entitled) that vote consistently against everyone’s best interest so they can keep growing garbage corn that we turn into garbage fuel that destroys engines. Fuck farmers. Monoculture bullshit fucking the soil.
Are the folks employed by the owners, the ones who are personally at risk of getting screwworms in their wounds and at risk of losing their jobs so bosses can keep up profits, entitled welfare queens? They’re poor workers like you.
And what of the black farmers in Tennessee? They overwhelmingly vote for the Democrats. Do they also deserve parasites in their cattle?
Did Hispanic farmhands vote for Republicans? They’re the ones that are gonna be directly at risk of getting screwworms in their injuries. If the bosses scale down operations, they’re gonna be the ones who lose their jobs.
Do the 12% of farmers in Tennessee who are black also deserve to get fucked?
You do not defeat right-wing populists with snobbery. You defeat it by offering a compelling left-wing alternative that addresses the economic issues which bigotry is peddled as an alleged solution to.
Thank you. Sometimes I think I’m taking fucking crazy pills on this site with these users not seeing anything wrong at all with their smug, holier than thou attitude. People who like the idea of being for the people, but hate the population.
Half of Hispanic men voted for Trump. 1 in 5 black men voted for Trump. Agricultural workers overwhelmingly vote republican. We all deserve what we’re getting for letting it fuckin happen in the first place, hell even now half of Americans think both parties are the same. So yeah, they fuckin deserve it. So do you. So do I. So does every US American.
If you utterly dismiss farmers as incorrigibly stupid rather than trying to talk with them, they will never change. If you leave agricultural workers to the wolves while the fascists pretend to have their backs, will they support you or the fascists?
Did you know most of the majority-black counties in the USA are rural areas in the South that vote overwhelmingly for Democrats? Are they also ejeets that deserve to get their cows screwed?
What about the people who get screwworms in their injuries? That’s gonna be the poor bastards who get employed to work with the livestock. Who works in shitty underpaid farm labour? Poor whites, black people, immigrants. People who have few other choices.
Snobbery against rural areas is just classism. It’s how Republicans could get such a grip on them in the first place. Go ahead and only struggle amongst educated people in the cities and scratch your head when when your country stays fascist. Watch the rural-urban divide get wider.
This is a really bad take on the situation dude.
Yeah none of this is a surprise. Trump has done what he promised. I told many conservatives this, and they just refused to believe it. Or some even dismissed some of the things Trump said “as just politics” claiming he had no intent to keep his crazier campaign promises.
It’s just the standard conservative play-by-play of
It’s not going to happen -> it’s not happening-> maybe it is happening but it’s not our fault -> it is happening but it’s too late to do anything about it. Alternatively replace step 3 with “but the dems do it too!!”
Anything else they just slap on a thought-terminating TDS label and move on.
I have spent quite a bit of time trying to convince Irish farmers to be left-wing, to understand that imperialism is the reason their gas prices are high and not the carbon tax. One of the biggest obstacles is that to them the urban left and liberals dismiss them as lost causes. Of course they don’t vote for snobs who don’t know wtf the CAP is and think that everyone outside of Dublin is an idiot redneck. Of course they listen to the silver-tongued devils of the right.
They were consistently surprised I care at all. Is that not shameful?
I live in Washington State, which is a similar size to Ireland. I live on the east side of the state in the second most populated city. Similar to Cork. It has much of the same dynamic. Dublin being like Seattle to us. Everyone loves to complain about the biggest city am I right? So anyways we have one Federal Represenitive for our side of the state and it was usually a liberal and at one point one of the most powerful in Congress (Tom Folley) but since then the Republicans have dominated the slot. Thing is that our area is mostly farm land.
I understand what you are getting at but the reality is that the farmers are not voting in their best interst most of the time. Identity politics are more import to them then the politics of supporting rural farm life. They would rather vote for the person that paints urban voters as haters and gay and baby killers then vote for the liberal that wants to support their school systems and make the environment healthy by controlling the pollution or overuse of the land. Its maddness and frustrating and I see it in real time because I am engaged with it both in personal life and my job.
I get what you mean. I won’t pretend like bigotry isn’t a core plank of the platform of the GOP or Independent Ireland. Still, an awful lot of bigoted people still felt the allure of people like Bernie Sanders and may join a trade union in certain circumstances. Such things also go a long way towards moving them away from bigotry if they succeed, because it shows that gay people and migrants were never the thing making them miserable.
My point though is moreso that saying that the farmers had it coming and giving up on them is not how one digs one’s way out of the pit one is stuck in. I don’t particularly wanna turn my back on conservative communities as irreparably fucked and feel proud of being smarter than them. I would like the community around me to be better. And saying that the farmers had it coming rather than using the opportunity to push them left is essentially patting oneself on the back for moral superiority rather than making life better.
I’m a migrant myself. I chose to come another country and integrate myself. I’d quite like it to be nicer, y’know?
I understand where you’re coming from, but I can’t sympathize with people who hurt themselves trying to hurt me. They did real damage voting the way they did and having to suffer the consequences of their actions is the only justice I’m going to get.
Do you think all of them voted this way?
As I said, a bunch of the people hurt by this are gonna be immigrant labourers, black people, etc. They’re in the shit with you, not against you. You’re not gonna get them organized and mobilized to stand alongside you by dismissing them and lumping them in with their bosses.
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They’re entitled welfare queens (that absolutely refuse to acknowledge their welfare because they’re entitled) that vote consistently against everyone’s best interest so they can keep growing garbage corn that we turn into garbage fuel that destroys engines. Fuck farmers. Monoculture bullshit fucking the soil.
Are the folks employed by the owners, the ones who are personally at risk of getting screwworms in their wounds and at risk of losing their jobs so bosses can keep up profits, entitled welfare queens? They’re poor workers like you.
And what of the black farmers in Tennessee? They overwhelmingly vote for the Democrats. Do they also deserve parasites in their cattle?
They deserve what they voted for, farmers overwhelmingly vote for republicans.
Did Hispanic farmhands vote for Republicans? They’re the ones that are gonna be directly at risk of getting screwworms in their injuries. If the bosses scale down operations, they’re gonna be the ones who lose their jobs.
Do the 12% of farmers in Tennessee who are black also deserve to get fucked?
You do not defeat right-wing populists with snobbery. You defeat it by offering a compelling left-wing alternative that addresses the economic issues which bigotry is peddled as an alleged solution to.
Thank you. Sometimes I think I’m taking fucking crazy pills on this site with these users not seeing anything wrong at all with their smug, holier than thou attitude. People who like the idea of being for the people, but hate the population.
Half of Hispanic men voted for Trump. 1 in 5 black men voted for Trump. Agricultural workers overwhelmingly vote republican. We all deserve what we’re getting for letting it fuckin happen in the first place, hell even now half of Americans think both parties are the same. So yeah, they fuckin deserve it. So do you. So do I. So does every US American.