• Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
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    4 hours ago

    It’s rather curious how those people who claim truth is subjective never do it for gravity, jumping off a high building while claiming “gravity is false for me”. Because guess what, odds are they know it’s bullshit.

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      1 hour ago

      I wonder if belief has anything to do with reality. Hmm.

      Eh, probably the universe is a cold, dead clockwork of matter that spontaneously and randomly fell into place with only the barest of coincidences we can try to grasp as objective truths with which to define our sensationally complex environment.

      Although . . . it is just as possible that matter arises from something more fundamental to something like a universal order, such as consciousness.

      I dunno though, they never told me.

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      In Einstein’s general relativity, different observers can disagree about the order of timed events, so long as their individual stories don’t violate causality. This is broadly known as the Relativity of Simultaneity.

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        2 hours ago

        [Warning: bar philosophy. Might include ramblings, booze, chain smoking, and fried snacks.]

        And yet, gravity is still there.

        Even if simultaneity is relative, the phenomenon is still there, you know? You can claim something fell before or after another event, but you can’t really claim it didn’t fall. And you can’t claim two simultaneous events stopped being simultaneous if they’re stationary for you, so it’s less of a “truth is relative to ME! ME! ME!” and more of a “truth is relative to that speed”. It’s still an objective matter, not a subjective one.

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          56 minutes ago

          so it’s less of a “truth is relative to ME! ME! ME!”

          This, I think, is an argument that exists in your head only. An excellent example of relativity, if I’m being honest.

          I don’t understand why subjectivity makes people so uncomfortable. Like, people would fight each other over the objectively correct temperature for the AC of their building if you let them—I just, I don’t get it.