Andrew Roberts minimises Gaza's killing, Simon Schama misrepresents genocide law and Jillian Segal threatens political free speech. Robert Manne writes that defences of Israel demand a far more searching moral reckoning.
The holocaust stuff bothers me as my family are Slavs and everyone knows the 6 million Jews but few here know how heavily Slavs were persecuted, and the intention to use us as farm animals to be worked to death :(
Also poles were kept in concentration camps in england which is cool and good apparently. There’s not really a line between good and bad states or something. Basically all liberal states held half their people on disenfranchised bondage while congratulating themselves on achieving democracy and violently crushing attempts for that half (women) to get rights.
The Zionists have used the WW2 Holocaust to OWN victimhood. No one has or can suffer as much as Jews. This is not a stance that many Jews take, let me be clear. It is a Zionist ploy to give Zionists the ‘right’ to ‘defend’ themselves by any means they like. It is a deception that is hurting non-Zionist Jews as well as anyone they see as an obstacle to their aims.
I am sorry to hear about your family. The Nazis were twisted and barbaric when it came to groups they thought did not fit into their racial ideology including people with disabilities, gay people, Jehova’s Witnesses, Roma, and then different nationalities including Slavs, as you say. The majority of Jews they exterminated were in fact, not German Jews, but Jews from Eastern Europe.
I mean Jewish eradication in ww2 was an extremely big deal, and on the largest targetted scale.
But yes, it has sort of replaced all the other stuff. Intellectually disabled people were some of the first targets, and Roma. Queer people were targetted and the allies left them in the camps which is digusting.
I think the important thing is that it is not who was targetted by whom but that the process by which we demote one kind of person relative to another is the actual evil. From that only horrors can follow. That is what has allowed all genocides and what allows Israel’s current war. If it was wrong to view Jews as some subhuman class of people, a problem to be managed, then it is wrong to view Palestinians that way.
That many Israeli do not feel this way (the war is extremely popular) is disgusting.
The ideological poison that has overtaken Israeli society is programmed into them from babyhood. To see one country doing this is disgusting but to see so many liberal democracies that big talk their ‘values’ supporting such a morally compromised society (which allows them to keep committing mass killing and ethnic cleansing) says a lot about our supposed humanity. Are those power structures which support genocide at arm’s length the ones acting in a sub-human way?
The holocaust stuff bothers me as my family are Slavs and everyone knows the 6 million Jews but few here know how heavily Slavs were persecuted, and the intention to use us as farm animals to be worked to death :(
Also poles were kept in concentration camps in england which is cool and good apparently. There’s not really a line between good and bad states or something. Basically all liberal states held half their people on disenfranchised bondage while congratulating themselves on achieving democracy and violently crushing attempts for that half (women) to get rights.
The Zionists have used the WW2 Holocaust to OWN victimhood. No one has or can suffer as much as Jews. This is not a stance that many Jews take, let me be clear. It is a Zionist ploy to give Zionists the ‘right’ to ‘defend’ themselves by any means they like. It is a deception that is hurting non-Zionist Jews as well as anyone they see as an obstacle to their aims.
I am sorry to hear about your family. The Nazis were twisted and barbaric when it came to groups they thought did not fit into their racial ideology including people with disabilities, gay people, Jehova’s Witnesses, Roma, and then different nationalities including Slavs, as you say. The majority of Jews they exterminated were in fact, not German Jews, but Jews from Eastern Europe.
I mean Jewish eradication in ww2 was an extremely big deal, and on the largest targetted scale.
But yes, it has sort of replaced all the other stuff. Intellectually disabled people were some of the first targets, and Roma. Queer people were targetted and the allies left them in the camps which is digusting.
I think the important thing is that it is not who was targetted by whom but that the process by which we demote one kind of person relative to another is the actual evil. From that only horrors can follow. That is what has allowed all genocides and what allows Israel’s current war. If it was wrong to view Jews as some subhuman class of people, a problem to be managed, then it is wrong to view Palestinians that way.
That many Israeli do not feel this way (the war is extremely popular) is disgusting.
The ideological poison that has overtaken Israeli society is programmed into them from babyhood. To see one country doing this is disgusting but to see so many liberal democracies that big talk their ‘values’ supporting such a morally compromised society (which allows them to keep committing mass killing and ethnic cleansing) says a lot about our supposed humanity. Are those power structures which support genocide at arm’s length the ones acting in a sub-human way?