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    It’s a shakedown warning to pharma companies: “we will upset your revenue stream unless you bribe us not to”

    That’s the only reason I can see a U-turn happening here

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      It’s pretty much worthless to read media and news that isn’t by one of the very few remaining journalistic organizations, and even Reuters and AP have had issues.

      I weep for the passing of truth and reality. I kinda thought we would go in the opposite direction a quarter century into the 21st millennium, but here we are. Reckon I’ll go down to the local alchemist and pick up some leeches and mercury to keep the miasma at bay and balance the ol’ humors.

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    One Texas AG lawsuit, and they panic and rescind because they know their bullshit won’t hold up on court. Texas for the win??? 🤦‍♂️

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    “The causative association . . . between Tylenol given in pregnancy and the perinatal periods is not sufficient to say it definitely causes autism. But it is very suggestive,” Kennedy told reporters, citing animal, blood and observational studies.

    Was what he actually said, the headline is click bait.

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      A respected academic telling me that something or another in data is “suggestive” means something. From a rando pseudoscientist working from the armchair, it means fuck all.

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      that not clickbait, it’s called paraphrasing

      can’t put the entire paraghaph as a headline

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          what part?

          how would you have worded the headline to avoid what you call clickbait?

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              “Suggestive evidence is information that hints at a particular conclusion but is not conclusive on its own.”

              So in short, is there no conclusive evidence linking it to autism?

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                So in short, is there no conclusive evidence linking it to autism?

                Kennedy hears that there is no conclusive evidence linking tylenol to autism yet assumes the causal relationship exists. (It just hasn’t been proven yet.)

                Any rational person hearing that there is no conclusive evidence linking tylenol to autism assumes the causal relationship does not exist. (But acknowledges that the causal relationship has not been disproven.)

                A better summary would be “Kennedy acknowledges his claims about Tylenol are not supported by evidence.”

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              Why is this “critical part”? Kennedy being a lunatic with ZERO CREDIBILITY…

              why would you base ANY medical decision on a guy who actually said “you shouldn’t base any medical decision on my advice”?

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        I think a more accurate paraphrasing would be that he said studies suggest Tylenol during pregnancy causes autism.

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          What “studies”? you are now literally making things up and pretending this is less clickbait?

          A month later, Trump and Kennedy, neither of whom are doctors, held a press conference in September to specifically warn pregnant women against taking the medication without citing any scientific evidence.

          Even the FDA, under these absolute morons, cannot come up with anything to throw at Acetaminophen

          “The FDA is responding to prior clinical and laboratory studies that suggest a potential association between acetaminophen use during pregnancy and adverse neurodevelopmental outcomes,” the agency said in its announcement. "FDA also recognizes that there are contrary studies showing no association and that there can be risks for untreated fever in pregnancy, both for the mother and fetus. "

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            “The causative association with, between Tylenol given in pregnancy and the perinatal periods is not sufficient to say it definitely causes autism. But it is very suggestive,” Kennedy told reporters, citing animal, blood and observational studies.

            From the OP article, emphasis mine.

            Even the quote you shared says “prior clinical and laboratory studies”.

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              yes but they have provided no such “studies” to “suggest” this link… it is literally the opinion, without ANY SUBSTANCE, of a guy who chooses to swim in an open sewer

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                But they’re reporting on what he said, and what he said is that studies suggest a causal link. It doesn’t matter whether or not he’s lying about it. The headline as written suggests he’s changing his tune on the alleged Tylenol/autism connection, but he isn’t.

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                  He is changing his tune now that lawsuits started flying

                  They outright came out saying Tylenol during pregnancy causes autism a few weeks back… now they acknowledge they are full of shit but added a “suggest” to save some face.

                  Again, the gist of this news is that he is backtracking. To expect they will quote everything he said in the headline is nonsense (specially when it literally is nonsense), otherwise you’d expect the headline to contain the entire article

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        Pretty much.

        But saying anything “definitely” in medicine is difficult, especially when it comes to the brain. (Which is why medicine is full of “I don’t want to get sued speak”)

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      I don’t see how Johnson and Johnson haven’t sued the absolute shit out of him at this point.

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        That’s probably why he’s saying it, lol. I doubt J&J wants a stupid, expensive lawsuit with the government over this, it wouldn’t surprise me if they’ve been in private talks to get them to walk it back.

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    I wonder how this will stack up in Texas’s lawsuit. Not that American law matters anymore…

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    But you said you knew it did…How could you slander/libel this brave american company.

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    Tylenol told him they’d sue his pants off is likely what happened here. It’s only a US brand of a more generic aspirin after all. So which is it, the generic drug, or the brand name that causes autism? Surely can’t be both in this case.

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            If it wasn’t already grandfathered in since before the FDA existed, it probably never would have been approved for sale.

            Still doesn’t cause autism though.

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            Which is unsurprising. Too many people are unaware how easily you can OD on the stuff because they include it in medicines for other symptoms. Have a cold? Take a sinus medicine (Sudafed + Tylenol), and an expectorant (Mucinex + Tylenol), oh and maybe some Tylenol too for the headache.

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            All of them have a negative side effects of the prescription is not respected. It seems the toxic dose per kilogram for aspirin is similar to the one for paracetamol, and the one for ibuprofen is about twice more.

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      Tylenol is not a name brand of Aspirin, it’s a name brand of acetaminophen (paracetamol outside the US). They’re not even the same class of drug. Aspirin is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug and acetaminophen is an analgesic. They each work differently and have separate mechanisms of action. You can even find them sold together (along with caffeine) in a single drug for migraines and severe headaches.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol