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Popular opinion got us Trump. You’re entitled to your opinion just as I am mine. Funnily enough, who’s right or wrong here is also a matter of opinion. That fact you’re triggered enough to fire off so many responses to me in so many threads tells me you probably aren’t being terribly level-headed in your thinking, so with that in mind I’m taking your opinions with a grain of salt.

ETA: I’m merely vigorously arguing my opinion until proven wrong, as I would expect you to. I’ve even made some minor concessions in places despite your claims otherwise. Nobody has definitively proven my perspective invalid as of yet, IMHO.

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Fair enough. The fact I’m personally uncomfortable involving someone’s physical abilities in a rebuttal to a shitty take - even though said take revolved around such - doesn’t mean it’s necessarily wrong. I fear it could be misconstrued (deliberately or not) as attacking the body, not the person - something I am afraid could be used to diminish the strength of our arguments against such crap, but I’ll agree that’s also probably a matter of interpretation.

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Nowhere did I defend any of their crap takes, i simply felt AOC’s comment came off more about their athletic performance than their bullshit. I’m all for attacking the bullshit, but don’t want to give the opposition an opening to be dismissive of our arguments because we were unfair in our own attacks.

I acknowledge that’s a fine line to walk here, and that it’s a matter of perspective that I felt AOC may have crossed it, but if I did then others are likely to have, too. As such, I’d rather minimize any opportunities for our arguments to be diminished as bad faith themselves.

I can see that logic to a point, I’m just not comfortable using it to justify attacking them. Attack their shitty takes all you can, not the things they only can do so much about because that line of attack is not entirely fair, and thus detracts from the validity of the part of your argument that is fair.

And yet again, my issue was with attacking them for the athletic showing, not for their shitty attitude and blame shifting - feel free to go off on that bullshit. You’re right in almost everything you said, you just misinterpreted what I was trying to say.

Says the one posting “everyone disliked that.”

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Nowhere did I say AOC had to be “nice and polite.” My point has been to make sure we attack strictly the things that deserve attacking (i.e. the attitude & blame-shifting, not the physical performance), or our arguments will wind up being no better than theirs, and just as easily dismissed.

I didn’t “come in here & tell [you] all off,” I simply said I felt AOC shouldn’t have involved their performance in her rebuttal because it was sinking to their level. The fact you took that as a personal attack is maybe something you should be the one reflecting upon. Nowhere did I say the shitty attitude should be tolerated - just that we should make sure that’s all we are attacking in response, lest we open ourselves up to being dismissed for illegitimate or unfair attacks of our own.

I’d much rather be “High Road Hillary” than “Temper Tantruming Trump.”

sigh For the umpteenth time, because actually being right about what you’re claiming to be right about matters. Even if they blamed their crappy showing on a trans competitor, the only thing that should be attacked is the shifting of responsibility, not the physical prowess.

I admit that interpretation a matter of perspective, but I don’t feel the fact that’s how it came off to me is irrelevant because it’s unlikely I’d be the only one to see that. Even if it were, it certainly doesn’t rate the absolute level of vitriol I’ve received here.