Shocking that someone with a major that requires lots of writing would have similarities with model that simply copies the writing style with the largest sample size.

My first statement was sarcasm.

Who is the subject you are referring to?

I… am assuming it is me, because you replied to my comment.

If you were not referring to me… why did you reply to this comment of mine?

Did you mean to reply to a different comment I made, where I went into more detail about writing structures and LLM output?

But also, I am the only person that’s explicitly mentioned my own major… in this entire thread.

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Since most people write more in university than the rest of their career there’s simply more writing with that style available. Since that’s all available through journals or more insidious sources it’s likely training fodder for AIs. Therefore someone’s writing being misinterpreted for AI likely just means they’ve used some academic style.

Oh, ok, you are misinformed.

No, no, LLMs are fed 99.9% of training data from all kinds of random internet comments from the entire internet, reddit, intstagram, facebook, tiktok, everyone’s blog they forgot they even had 6 years ago, stackoverflow, truth social, twitter, youtube comments, wikipedia, etc etc.

They thus learn to emulate the average writing style of the average internet user, by default, albeit with some safety rails put on them manually.

They absolutely do not write in the style of academic journals, unless you specifically prompt them to write in such a manner, or ask them for precise details about data (or use terms and phrases) that essentialy only exists in academic journals.

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So… yeah, that’s why I assumed you were referencing me… because your sarcastic comment doesn’t make any sense as a sarcastic comment, because the thing its being sarcastic about is built on a false premise.

Also, because you specifically mentioned a writing style of a particular kind of major the OP doesn’t mention this concept, and as best I can tell, neither does anyone else in this whole thread.

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Also also… even if your idea that LLMs write in the style of academic writings… the only actual LLM generated text in this whole thread… reads like a high school assignment essay… it doesn’t at all read like something that would be published in an academic, peer reviewed journal, nor even really like much writing that would get better than a 2.5ish out of 4.0 as assignments in a Uni… it reads like middle to high schooler writing.

So your ‘sarcasm’ also doesn’t make any sense in that way either, because that is another, seperate but also present false premise that the sarcasm would have to derive from to… make sense…

Unless you are referring to me, and what I just wrote, in the comment you replied to.

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Well, I apologize for going off on you when you didn’t mean to insult me, but hopefully you can at least understand why I interpreted what you said as a personal attack.

Yeah, I missed the Queen reference being more directly related to the actual OP, I am at this point more used to celebrities and Zoomers using Queen as basically to mean a person who thinks very, very highly of themselves, has a considerable sense of entitlement and is feminine presenting.

And I was so worked up at this point I interpreted everything else as an attack.

(Ahem. Yep. Autism confirmed lol.)

So, yeah, I appreciate the explanation, I again apologize for blowing up on you.I can see now that you absolutely did not mean anything as a criticism of memor my own writing.

Your initial statement was, and still is quite confusing to me, but I appreciate that you took the time to explain what you were trying to say, and hopefully you now understand a bit of my thought process as you kindly explained your own to me.

Somewhat ironically, my intial confused interpretation of what you said you did manage to evoke a more catty, venomous and snarky response out of me, so perhaps that’s me being a bit of the Queen I wrongfully thought you wanted me to be, lol.

Oh no, I failed a purity test by not being inclusive enough, but also it simultaneously was not edgy nor controversial enough at the same time!

I am autistic. I am speaking both from personal experience and also personally knowing a bunch of other autists I went to university with.

So uh, misfire on the inclusivity purity test there, unless you’re gonna call me a self hating autist, in which case, ok lol.

You’re really gonna tell the autistic guy that he sounds like a robot, a computer model of text generation, you know kind of a massively rude thing to do to an autist, who gets to hear that dehumanizing shit their whole life… you’re gonna tell me that and then also critique me for not being inclusive enough, to autistic people.

Amazing.

This doesn’t ‘need’ Queen, it is meant to be my authentic personal opinion, I do not identify as or with Queen, or use Queen mannerisms or phrasings. Took me a long time to learn that anyone that demands I mask for them isn’t someone worth much of my time.

Jumping from doing … some incredibly vague, unspecified, but nonetheless structural writing critique… directly into a totally subjective, personal preferences critique of the content of the writing, seemingly without even realizing you’ve done this…

Pretty much means you either aren’t well versed in English, or you’re intentionally conflating the two in bad faith.

I dare you to find any ChatGPT or similar LLM that naturally outputs written content that simply has as many … as I arguably overuse, consistently writes compound sentences with as many clauses as I use routinely, not to mention suggests intonation the way I do with bold italics.

Uh, um, in conclusion, in this essay I have shown that you have no clue what you’re talking about.

EDIT: Oh no, did HR send you?

Yes, that is correct, this is the basic 5 paragraph small essay structure:

Intro paragraph - I am going to say blah blah.

Body paragraphs (usually 3, can be more) - each particular point of blah blah, explained in a self contained manner, that doesn’t reference or build upon anything in the other body paragraphs.

Conclusion paragraph - I said blah blah.

This is a writing style typically taught to middle schoolers, 20 years ago, before we spent 20 years passing every failing student onto the next grade becauase otherwise the school will shut down.

It is meant to be an introduction to the concept of writing in a longer form than just answering a single question with basically one paragraph.

It is not meant to be good, compelling, moving or engaging writing… it is meant to be the bridge between basic and intermediate levels of literacy, to give young humans more practice with stringing more sentences together.

Writing in this manner almost always can be boiled down to maybe a couple of sentences, basically you could just rewrite the conclusion with a bit more detail, and there ya go.

Dear god I hope you aren’t a teacher, I was writing better than this in middle school.

The emdash is a dead giveaway, but its mostly the high school level writing style.

It is astonishingly uncreative and simplistic with sentence structure, it just directly regurgitates the points from its prompt it was specifically directed to address, there’s no clever or compelling phrasing or larger metaphor, there’s no personality or expressiveness, willingness to say something maybe a bit edgy or controversial, very neutered and bland writing style… and there’s no consecutive introduction of, then expanding on or synthesis of concepts, which are continually used after being explained and synthesized, progressively… instead, all the references are just mentioned, explained, addressed, discarded, onto the next one, like so many bullet points that need to be fluffed up to hit a word count.

Finally… did you intentionally prompt it to emulate the ‘in this essay i will…’ ‘self contained, non referential body paragraphs’ ‘in conclusion, here’s a few sentences that could have been the entire essay’ … did you intetionally tell it to mimic this extremely basic writing style?

Or did it just… do all of that on its own, like the mean average of five million highschool sophomore book reports?

Throw marketing and HR majors in there with business majors as the triumvirate of just literally evil and useless people, and I’m on board.

I say this as a person with an Econ degree, and another Poli Sci degree, that I got simultaneously.

Bach Sci, Bach Arts, respectively.

Not quite as ‘artistic’ as something like music or visual artistry of some kind, but I can say that a.BA in Poli Sci involves a lot of learning how to be the… persuasive kind of a creative writer.

So yeah, I’m kind of a hybrid multi-class build, so just like when you do that in DnD, 90% of people are somewhere between annoyed by or confused by this, all the way up to just outright hating you for ‘being a try-hard’ or ‘having both a broad and deep skillset, and significant general understanding of relevant context in many areas’.

Ok lol, snark aside…

We Econ people are not all evil, in fact most of us fucking despise business majors, as business is what you switch your Econ major to if you’re too stupid to actually understand advanced math, modelling, statistical analysis, as well as actual long term business strategy and non myopic market analysis… as well as usually at least some coding proficiency in something like R or at least Python libs geared toward data crunching.

But somehow these idiot assholes end up being our bosses and we usually end up being their subordinate data analysts of some kind, basically because they master the arcane power of corpospeak, aka, professional gaslighting.

Likewise, accountants, actuaries?

Those are actual real degrees, you have to memorize an utterly astounding amount of essentially arbitrary laws and regulations, and if you go full actuary, some of the most complex statistics on earth, in some cases literally more complex and mind bending than what many theoretical physicists have to learn.

Anyway, most data oriented nerds are at least mildly autistic and realize they are generally not so good with people skills, nor the visually artistic kind of creativity… but we are generally self-aware of this, and realize that other people with other kinds of intelligences are needed if we want our data and analysis to actually be listened to.

Finally: HR and Marketing majors are all narcissistic sociopaths who are also too stupid to complete their psychology degrees, which they really only ever pursued to become more skilled sociopaths.

… Uh there, oops, I may have just written at least part of OP’s essay.

EDIT: Ok, apparently this may be worth clarifying due to the presence of some ChatGPT diarrhea in this thread, but uh, the above words were all produced spontaneously by an all natural, organic, genuine human being, in an astoundingly more energy efficient and non exploitative manner, that didn’t require the violation of the privacy, consent, and also basically IP rights of every human that has ever existed.

I’m sorry Dave, I can’t let you post that.

… Was I that person?

I evangelize Kenshi like the Holy Nation evangelizes Okran.

Also…!

To add in about game modding on Linux:

https://github.com/limo-app/limo

https://flathub.org/apps/io.github.limo_app.limo

Limo is a universal mod manager that is linux native.

And I do mean universal. It’ll work with literally any game, you just have to take a bit of extra time to configure things for games that do not yet have a supported preset configuration out of the box… but at this point, that includes most games that are generally reliant on some kind of mod manager type program on Windows, to keep track of 10s or 100s of simultaneous mods.

It works very much along the same lines as something like Mod Organizer 2, though there are some differences, read the wiki.

It sets up a virtual file system that allows mods to be set up outside of the main game directory itself, and will override them such that the mods actually load, but they can be ‘undeployed’ to revert back to vanilla, you can set up different profiles of different mod configurations and deploy/undeploy what you like.

It can also manage load orders, supports formats such as fomod and similar for games like Fallout New Vegas and Skyrim, you can set up tags and category groupings, and it also shows you conflicts between mods down to the specific files, showing you a chain of overwrites to the final file from the final loaded mod.

It doesn’t support things like LOOT, which purport to autogenerate correct load orders… but frankly, thats fine, because shit like that doesn’t even work properly in situations you’d use it in on Windows 90% of the time.

EDIT: Wow, apparently it does support LOOT now, it did not a few updates ago.

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I have successfully gotten FONV working using Limo to set up uh… there’s a variant of the Viva New Vegas mod setup guide aimed at Steam Deck users, but it tells you to set up Mod Organizer 2 on the Deck… which you can do, but its rather input laggy and there are other inconveniences…

Here it is, Mirelurked Viva New Vegas:

https://ashtonqlb.github.io/mirelurked-vnv/intro.html

I had to alter a few steps from this to get it working with Limo, but they were basically just… set up Limo instead of MO2, and you have to handle NVSE a bit differently, because it literally replaces/overrides the entire main game exe.

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I have also used Limo to mod Cyberpunk 2077, works with more in depth frameworks like CET, RedExt, etc, as well as using the Decky Framegen plugin to insert FSR 3.1 Upscaling and Framegen into CP77, which gives better quality and fps than the official FSR 2 and 3 implementations that come with the vanilla game and are vanilla supported on a Deck.

You basically just have to launch the vanilla game via the normal launcher first, check the ‘enable mods’ switch, fully load the game…

Then you can set up the Framegen mod, which adds a custom command in steam to the launch parameters… and then you can also setup the ‘skip intro’ mod, which is reliant on both the mod being present, as well as additional command line parameters…

There are a bunch of reddit posts complaining that the FrameGen mod doesn’t allow other additional launch arguments, but they are wrong.

All you have to do is append those additional launch args … at the end of the FrameGen mod’s launch arg. This just doesn’t seem to be explicitly documented anywhere, by anyone… I may have been the first person to figure this out?

Anyway, after that bit of silliness, setting up other mods for CP 77 using Limo is fairly straightforward.

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… I am doing all this on Bazzite on a Deck, but you could do it on… presumably any linux distro that supports flatpaks and proton (the translation layer that allows Windows games to run on Linux).

There will always be a few ‘weird’ mods that are just totally reliant on a whole bunch of Windows specific things to work, or just cannot be made to work without actually overwriting some core game files in the main, real directory itself…

And, some of these mods will require a windows component dependency, like vc_2017 or vc_2022, you set those up with something like ProtonTricks or SteamTinkerLaunch to modify the proton config per game, instead of trying to install the exe system wide as 99% of the windows oriented mods will tell you to do…

But so far, I have found either my own solutions for these cases, or someone else already has, or someone has just made basically a linux compatible equivalent for such a windows reliant mod.

… You can also just choose to run MO2 on Linux, it will work, its just… buggy, and overlycomplicated, imo, you’ve got to set up a custom wineprefix for the MO2 UI to not do dumbshit, give it thr dependencies it needs, and then you’ve got to do this for each different game you want to mod with MO2.

I found that Limo is sufficiently capable and much less hassle to use once you take the time to understand its differences from MO2.

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Also, for anti virus, ClamAV exists. I… think it is literally the only AV for linux?