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Hell would be an upgrade! Where do I get my blood monies plz?
I’m at the point who cares. Someone is going to do it. You might as well make money doing it.
Yeah, this is why I became a hitman. Who cares? Other than the victims’ friends and families, obviously.
But you really think they wouldn’t just hire someone else? Murdering people for the mob is morally neutral.
This logic is why I began recording and posting my domestic abuse nights to 18+ sites. It’s amazing how much more traffic the fringe sexual interest communities can get, even just for my low quality hate-bate material. It’s like printing money (and bruises heal)
"Look, I don’t like this any more than you do, but as long as billionaire perverts exist, there’s going to be demand for secret pedophile islands, and somebody’s gonna have to traffic kids to them. I’m just trying to get that bag.
I feel like you’re being very childish about this."
Wait, immature childish or sexy childish?
Actual hot take.
That moment when you quit the arms company and joined the legs company:
I’m stealing this
Raytheon would be equally accepted here.
Yea I’m an LGBTQ+ ally:
The ally they’re talking about:
L ockheed Martin
G eneral Dynamics
B AE
T exas Instruments
Q inetiq
“our hiring system is even less discriminatory than our targeting system!” -their motto, probably
"our hiring system is even less discriminatory than our targeting system!" -their motto, probably
Bravo!
I know TI had a history of weapons manufacturing, but haven’t they stopped now?
I believe so. I guess a more appropriate one would be Textron since they still make helicopters?
How many children have they tortured with their graphing calculators?
many
Defense industry, law enforcement, and surveillance are all instant dealbreakers for me whenever a recruiter reaches out to me. And sadly that seems like the vast majority of positions for which recruiters are looking for candidates.
That or AI shit.
I’m so tired of the tech industry.
Science grad with 10 years engineering experience. I had to turn down a lot of jobs before I found one that didn’t involve killing people. It took two years. I’m paid about half of what I could get if I sold my morals. Totally worth it.
Depending on engineering discipline, oil & gas is another common one.
When you’re 60 and the choice is either a permanent contract for the army or 1 or 2 years elsewhere, you’re going to choose army.
Nope
Oh you will, you will. Trust me, young people.
PS I’m not talking about the US military, because I’d rather live under a bridge for the rest of my life.
Just because you sold your soul to the devil doesn’t mean others necessarily will.
If anything, doing it in your 60s is even more morally reprehensible because you should have enough world experience by then to understand what militaries truly are. Both the atrocities they commit regularly on behalf of politicians and vested interests, and the lies and manipulation they perform during recruitment to get young people enlisted.
Not everyone is morally bankrupt. Stop projecting
You’re not a researcher depending on funding that barely exists anymore, I assume.
If an army is dumb enough to offer me a permanent position when I’m 60, I’d take it too (then immediately retire and live off the pension).
There’s positive tech stuff out here too, bud. You’ll likely need to look for yourself though, the recruiter reaching out to you is better funded for some reason.
I just use my skills to make gooner games. My soul is pure. To heaven I shall go. Unironically.
I would like to goon to some of your games
Thank you for your service.
This is why I focused on graphics hardware for so long… Then some arsehole came up with running AI on GPUs.
series of increasingly large dominoes where the smallest is “NVIDIA releases CUDA” and the largest is “the entire global economy has become dependent on running a useless computer program that tricks stupid people into believing it can do anything worthwhile”
Yeah, I got started in silicon thinking cheaper, faster, more power efficient chips would be a net benefit to the world… Then we became a social media surveillance state and AI dogshit is just the icing on the cake.
Now I drink to forget we’re boiling the oceans to ruin society. One day this capitalist hellscape will end.
There’s still a few of us out here using ROPs and texture units
Doing engineering is more like an any% run to do something that eventually, even just statistically, hurts people.
So. Stop enabling us, scientists :P
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Communists and capitalists both made WMDs and murdered millions for their own gain
“Capitalists bombed Hiroshima”
“Communists bombed Nagasaki”
-this dipshit probably
I don’t know why .ml has usernames. No one can tell any of you apart.
I don’t know why you consider yourself an anarchist instance when I see you quoting Gobbles more than Kropotkin
Who else the fuck pulls Gobbles and Kropotkin out as an insult?
Only tankies.
If I used Spongebob characters do you think it would land better with this audience?
No. That evil has nothing to do with whichever socio-economic system is your particular choice of boogie man.
Socio-economic models have to do with pretty much everything that happens in a society. They define the preferred end goal of most actions. In feudalism it would be to better expand and defend the territory of your liege, for example.
What I meant is that wielding new science and technology against people is in no way unique to capitalism. Every system we’ve ever tried has done that at one point.
No one said it’s unique to that particular system. As I said feudalism would do the same for different reasons
But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to have a system that disincentivises harming others and even if it’s implemented it doesn’t mean no one will be harmed.
Traceur201 said that.
He did not say it’s the only system where it happens
It seems he was just saying that in the current socio-economic model for most of the planet the elite of that system (the “capitalists”) push for that behaviour, not that it wouldn’t happen under any other
If I say I get wet when it’s raining outside, I’m not implying I can’t get wet during a sunny day (I might just have bad luck and someone dumps water out of a window)
This is part of the reason I moved to CA. As an engineer I’m always going to have some kind of environmental impact, and I think a direct initiative is necessary for the public to consent.
This comment is known to the state of California to cause birth defects.
Some of us turned down Lockheed and Raytheon.
You turned down lockheed, lockheed rejected me.
Yeah, their equity package wasn’t as good as Anduril.
I may be an engineer, but I am still too fucking stupid to get a job at an arms company
It’s easier than you’d think. The applicant pool doesn’t tend to be the best and brightest.
One of the guys I went to college with is an amazing programmer and had such a great understanding of C that hes why i got as far into CS as i did, couldn’t get a job after grad because 1) Covid and more importantly 2) he’s insufferable.
He got a job making $100k a year for I wanna say Lockheed because he quote “Wrote good looking code”. That’s all they needed because Tue DoD already told them that the project he was hired for was not going to be adopted, but they were still contracted for minimum 2 more years of development and Lockheed would be in breach of contract if they weren’t making progress even though it was already Dead.
The Military industrial complex is JUST a grift to put tax dollars in private hands.
He got a job making $100k a year
$100k per year writing code at a defence contractor isn’t very much.
There’s a monumental amount of waste in there. I’ve seen a department order a truckload of equipment from compUSA, a reputable vendor, and it shows up with open brown cardboard boxes of used equipment. Staff SGT rubber-stamped it. Somebody made bank. Shit like that was ALWAYS going down.
That’s why I work at a legs company
Gods, I’m considering Job hopping and I saw Lockheed was hiring for my role, less experience, less certs, full remote, and quadruple my pay.
I had to block them on indeed and LinkedIn. I hated that I was considering it.
yeah they’re an option in my area and I’ve made the decision several times to not look at any positions they have
I sometimes wonder if we all truly have a price for our souls. I felt similarly when seeing positions at health insurance companies, pay was high enough that I paused despite how much I despise them.
Weapons can be used for defense or offense. Just be sure that you can sleep at night with the potential consequences - and that your work may be used on the wrong side just as easily as the right side.
On the other hand, if you’re working for an Israeli defense company, you can be pretty certain where your results are going to go, and should maybe just… not.
If you’re working for a western arms manufacturer you can be pretty certain your products will end up in Israel too.
i haven’t heard that they buy from Ukrainians
Nah, remember that Australia is “western”, Chile is not… I’m pretty sure Ukraine doesn’t qualify.
US people have a great handling of geography.
EU candidate and has similar enemies, this already makes them more western than, say, Turkey or Israel
or maybe you’re dense on purpose
How many Eurofighters does Israel operate?
Why would that matter? You think it’s alright to work for a company supplying the Palestinian genocide as long as you’re not working on that specific product line? British aerospace is pretty directly involved there so I’d set my standards a little higher personally.
You could’ve just said “yes, I think that’s where the ethical line is”, instead of linking logical fallacies wikipedia like a fourteen year old atheist.
We haven’t moved anywhere. We were at “working for companies profiting from genocide is wrong” and we’ve stayed right there.
You could’ve just said “yes, I think that’s where the ethical line is”, instead of linking logical fallacies wikipedia like a fourteen year old atheist.
Except what I’m pointing out is not where I think the ethical line is, I’m pointing out that you’re arguing in blatant bad faith because you know your actual position isn’t defensible.
We haven’t moved anywhere.
This you?
If you’re working for a western arms manufacturer you can be pretty certain your products will end up in Israel too.
Sorry that you can’t remember what you said a whole comment ago.
We were at “working for companies profiting from genocide is wrong” and we’ve started right there.
So what you mean is “If you’re working for a major Western company, period, you’re in the wrong.” Since the list of Western companies that don’t do business with Israel is very small.
This you?
If you’re working for a western arms manufacturer you can be pretty certain your products will end up in Israel too.
Yes, that’s me. Maybe the bit you’re missing is that if you work at a company, the company’s products are your products.
So what you mean is “If you’re working for a major Western company, period, you’re in the wrong.” Since the list of Western companies that don’t do business with Israel is very small.
No, that’s not what I mean, and I’d appreciate you not putting words in my mouth. There is a material difference between providing Israel with military equipment and with some random consumer product that is just distributed everywhere. Sure, I’d argue it’s still wrong to do the latter, but it’s still a huge difference.
My brother in law is using his engineering degree to work for various arms companies, including DARPA. His wife justifies it by saying “He only makes things for good countries like the US”.
A few years ago, he, his wife, my wife, another sister in law and his kids were in a car, and he was talking about why it’s justifiable to drone-strike school buses. He said “Well, there were some really bad people on those buses.” I ask “What makes them bad?”, and he says “You know, they make bombs, that sort of thing.”
I turned to him and said “YOU make bombs. By your rationale, this car with your entire family is every bit as much a justifiable target as those school buses.”
The entire car went silent, and later, my wife thanked me for not going any further.
He’s the most morally-bankrupt person I’ve ever met, and I hate being in the same room as him. His wife isn’t much better, and is the epitome of the portion of the working class that’s been tricked into thinking they’re better than that. She’ll handwave away the fact that in her career, she’s been directly responsible for firing thousands of people “for the good of the company”.
For what it’s worth, I believe at the moment of death, people can no longer lie to themselves and have to face what they’ve done through the eyes of their inner child. Some people have these realisations at some earlier point, too. But I don’t believe anyone gets away with it.
That’s what “live each day like it’s going to be your last” means to me. Face up to the decisions you made as if you’re your own jury, because eventually you will be.At the moment of death you make a gurgling sound (unless you get like, splattered or whatever) and then it suddenly goes black like the end of the sopranos because your consciousness shuts off. Well it’s not really that, it’s inconceivable, it’s nothingness, it returns to the state prior to being born. Your consciousness is not magic or mystical, it’s merely an illusory byproduct of very high quality stimulus processing and extremely intricate nervous system for sensory input coupled with the capacity for short and long term memory. There is no magic moment of reconciliation unless self induced through social conditioning (eg religious guilt) and people like Trump and musk ultimately win by having a life of hedonistic excess with no repercussions while the rest of us slave away for a half day off and an aliexpress trinket here and there.
(sorry for spoiling a show that ended 18 years ago)
Meh, your guess is as good as mine.
I hope you’re right.
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Good that I only work for Palantir then
Can’t go to hell if you have no soul.
*taps temple
