• Thoven@lemdro.id
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    20 hours ago

    Depends on the source and the weight of the claim. My fattest friend tells me the new Italian place slaps? Fact. The smartest person I know tells me there’s a newly discovered planet? Worth looking into if it comes from them, but I’m skeptical.

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      What happens when “science” backs up two opposing ideas with sufficient evidence and logic to make either seem plausible?

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          How can Science be proven wrong and still work? That is not at all how Science works.

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            Yeh it is.
            Proving that a scientific theory is wrong means we don’t understand enough about the thing. And we know we need to look at other theories about the thing.
            Proving things wrong as well as failed hypothesis is as important (even if it is disappointing) as proving things correct and successful hypothesis. It rules the theory out, and guides further scientific study.
            With published papers, other scientists can hopefully see what the publishing scientists missed.
            Scientists can also repeat experiments of successful papers to confirm the papers conclusion, and perhaps even make further observations that can support further studies.

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          Off the top of my head string theory is a good example of numerous competing hypothesis that seem plausible given the data.

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        Like, i found this youtube channel from the video “mom founf the yaoi”. And now its latest video is about the rapture? Its just morse code, this description, and 2 links in the comments.

        As soon as i get home, im yt-dlp this channel to preserve this.

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          I have no earthly idea what you’re talking about (replied in the wrong place, maybe?), but that is some prime internet weirdness.

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              The bit where she’s distracted by her skinny arm right after saying she can’t distract herself makes me pretty sure it’s parody. It’s very well done, though.

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    There are very few pieces of knowledge that I’d consider a fact. Rather, I tend to see those as the best current knowledge that might turn out to be false in the future. The fact of consciousness is among the only things in the entire universe that I see as absolutely being true. Pretty much anything else can just be an illusion.

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      How do you know consciousness is “true” and not also an illusion created by the brain?

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          If you see a mirage of a spring in the desert can you quench your thirst?

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            The fact that there is word for this experience demonstrates that the experience itself objectively exists, which only serves to prove my point.

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                I have absolutely no idea why you are being so weird about this since obviously if the spring does not exist then it cannot be drunk from. However, what you are working bizarrely hard to go out of your way to miss is that, regardless of whether the spring itself exists in objective reality, the experience of seeing it has objective existence.

                Phrased in a different way: if you see something that looks like a spring in the desert, then that might not mean that you will be able to drink from it, but you can be certain that, in that moment, you are seeing something that looks like a spring in the desert.

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    That’s the great thing about science.

    Things that are considered facts in today’s world can be disproven by new experiments and observations (recreated through experimentation and after adequate peer review).

    So for me, it depends on what is being evaluated. 2+2 is a fact. Exact age of the moon might be up for more debate.

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      How is 2 + 2 a fact?

      How do you know, through new experiments and observations, that we will never determine the exact age of the moon?

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    If I can find three reputable sources that say the same thing, I feel pretty confident in accepting it as fact. The real trick is finding reputable sources. Media Bias Fact Check is really helpful for this.

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      If I can find three reputable sources that say the same thing

      They used to say ALL cholestrol was bad, every doctor said it. But then someone discovered about HDL and LDL

      Also, doctors used to say smoking doesn’t cause cancer.

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        To my knowledge they have been criticized for being biased, but from what I can find their ratings don’t differ drastically from other providers.

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          Their problem is that any news agency in the middle east is automatically “untrustworthy” with quotes like “they haven’t been found to report false stories, but we still give them an untrustworthy rating”.

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            Do you have examples of reputable sources from the middle east that have an unfair rating?

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              I already gave you the examples, I said that they unfairly represent middle eastern news as untrustworthy. Or are you here to nitpick and “um ackthcshually”?

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                It is itself extremely biased, you believed an authority that isn’t neutral.

                Their problem is that any news agency in the middle east is automatically “untrustworthy” with quotes like “they haven’t been found to report false stories, but we still give them an untrustworthy rating”.

                I already gave you the examples, I said that they unfairly represent middle eastern news as untrustworthy. Or are you here to nitpick and “um ackthcshually”?

                You have provided 0 examples of a middle eastern news source that is unfairly ranked.

                Are you going to keep being combative and waste both of our time refusing to answer a simple good faith question?

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                  From their own description of Al Jazeera

                  Al Jazeera has been a valuable voice for the Palestinians as most Western media favors Israel. While most of its reporting has been factual in covering the conflict they have demonstrated one-sided reporting that tends to denigrate Israel.

                  Mixed for factual reporting. They cite 2 articles that they have found to be false since forever. They complain about “loaded language”. Yet they say “straight news has minimal bias”. Then they give Times of Israel “high credibility” and speak how unbiased their language is, giving the same examples as they gave in the Al Jazeera one for “biased language”.

                  High credibility is 2 “levels” higher than the middle of the field “mixed”.