Support for Netanyahu’s party has gone up since 2023 and support for the opposition has gone down.
There comes a time when you have to admit that the apple is too rotten to be saved. Nothing will change anytime soon; if anything it will only get worse.
…are you saying that the solution for genocide is more genocide? There are a lot of innocent people in Israel. We should not be nuking those people just because their government is failing them. And likewise, the innocent people of ALL countries (including yours :) should be spared when fixing the problems caused by a corrupt government.
Nuking countries when your goal is to stop their leaders isn’t an option. Sorry. Try again.
Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn’t. Palestinians are generally very kind (and very religious) people, though positive generalizations are still generalizations. Or yeah, maybe they wouldn’t be willing to risk making the same mistake twice, and no one could really reasonably blame them for that either.
Long way to go before we need to think too hard about that anyway, unfortunately.
Not to my knowledge. I had understood that they were allowed to stay. In Rhodesia they had “their” land expropriated, so many chose to leave, and In South Africa they had their political dominance ended. The issue of land expropriation remains under debate.
In both cases it wasn’t bloodless, and south Africa retains a white population to this day, so clearly not genocided.
I am not deeply familiar with the history of Zimbabwe, so if you are, please enlighten me.
The end of “Israel” will probably go similarly. The people who are fine with living alongside Palestinians as equal citizens will stay, the racial supremacists will leave, at least some war criminals will need to be punished, though it’s basically a society of war criminals from top to bottom, so all of them won’t be feasible. There will be some bloodshed but hopefully not too much.
I’m not deeply familiar with Zimbabwe either, but there wasn’t a white genocide.
No other country has this much popular support for an ethno-supremacist nationalist policy of extermination. Even the US, which is the most hated worldwide right now, sits at 30% support, at best. The “innocent” people of Israel (if you can call people who serve in the IDF that) can always go back to the countries they came from before colonizing a land that wasn’t theirs, that was stolen through murder and displacement.
I’m not pretending to know the solution, but the time for peaceful resolution has passed by at least 70 years. Any solution that comes now will involve violence against one side or the other. Thinking otherwise is utopian nonsense.
There are several generations of Israelis born Israelis. They don’t have anywhere they are from to return to.
I agree there is no realistic solution without genocide in sight, but that is not an excuse to support more genocide.
The isrealis need to be condemned and isolated from international support. After we accomplish that, we can re evaluate. They might not be so bloodthirsty if the US and other countries weren’t so ride or die for the IDF.
Israelis can easily travel to Europe and the US. For example, in Germany, they can get citizenship if they can prove German descent. In other places they have advantaged programs for immigration compared to other non West countries. Choosing to stay is embracing Zionism. That’s the only peaceful solution, which obviously isn’t going to happen when 70-80% support the status quo and further expansionism.
The majority of the Jewish population of Isreal are decended from the Soviet Union and the Middle East. When Isreal was founded 10s of thousands of Jews lived in North Africa and other middle eastern countries. Nearly all of them moved to Israel, and those countries will not welcome their children and grandchildren back.
Support for Netanyahu’s party has gone up since 2023 and support for the opposition has gone down.
There comes a time when you have to admit that the apple is too rotten to be saved. Nothing will change anytime soon; if anything it will only get worse.
…are you saying that the solution for genocide is more genocide? There are a lot of innocent people in Israel. We should not be nuking those people just because their government is failing them. And likewise, the innocent people of ALL countries (including yours :) should be spared when fixing the problems caused by a corrupt government.
Nuking countries when your goal is to stop their leaders isn’t an option. Sorry. Try again.
Israel not existing is not a genocide against Jews.
It would be a genocide against isrealis.
Israel could stop existing without a single person dying.
It wouldn’t happen, but it could.
Exile, statelessness, and ethnic cleansing are forms of genocide.
It’s not exile if you’re not from there.
You’re not stateless if you’re not from there.
It’s not ethnic cleansing if you are a colonizer being removed.
With that said I don’t generally think that Israelis born there should be removed. But that’s up to the Palestinians, it’s their land.
That’s a fair compromise. Sucks for the people born there, but it’s a lesson to not do colonization.
Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn’t. Palestinians are generally very kind (and very religious) people, though positive generalizations are still generalizations. Or yeah, maybe they wouldn’t be willing to risk making the same mistake twice, and no one could really reasonably blame them for that either.
Long way to go before we need to think too hard about that anyway, unfortunately.
Were whites genocided with the fall of Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa?
Not to my knowledge. I had understood that they were allowed to stay. In Rhodesia they had “their” land expropriated, so many chose to leave, and In South Africa they had their political dominance ended. The issue of land expropriation remains under debate.
In both cases it wasn’t bloodless, and south Africa retains a white population to this day, so clearly not genocided.
I am not deeply familiar with the history of Zimbabwe, so if you are, please enlighten me.
The end of “Israel” will probably go similarly. The people who are fine with living alongside Palestinians as equal citizens will stay, the racial supremacists will leave, at least some war criminals will need to be punished, though it’s basically a society of war criminals from top to bottom, so all of them won’t be feasible. There will be some bloodshed but hopefully not too much.
I’m not deeply familiar with Zimbabwe either, but there wasn’t a white genocide.
No other country has this much popular support for an ethno-supremacist nationalist policy of extermination. Even the US, which is the most hated worldwide right now, sits at 30% support, at best. The “innocent” people of Israel (if you can call people who serve in the IDF that) can always go back to the countries they came from before colonizing a land that wasn’t theirs, that was stolen through murder and displacement.
I’m not pretending to know the solution, but the time for peaceful resolution has passed by at least 70 years. Any solution that comes now will involve violence against one side or the other. Thinking otherwise is utopian nonsense.
There are several generations of Israelis born Israelis. They don’t have anywhere they are from to return to.
I agree there is no realistic solution without genocide in sight, but that is not an excuse to support more genocide.
The isrealis need to be condemned and isolated from international support. After we accomplish that, we can re evaluate. They might not be so bloodthirsty if the US and other countries weren’t so ride or die for the IDF.
Also important to note that Palestine was a very diverse place before the occupation began.
The problem isn’t specific people or a specific religion or specific genetics, it’s a diseased culture.
Though at this point, it needs to be up to Palestinians who gets to stay and who doesn’t.
I admit that if there is no completely just outcome, I would side with the oppressed.
Israelis can easily travel to Europe and the US. For example, in Germany, they can get citizenship if they can prove German descent. In other places they have advantaged programs for immigration compared to other non West countries. Choosing to stay is embracing Zionism. That’s the only peaceful solution, which obviously isn’t going to happen when 70-80% support the status quo and further expansionism.
The majority of the Jewish population of Isreal are decended from the Soviet Union and the Middle East. When Isreal was founded 10s of thousands of Jews lived in North Africa and other middle eastern countries. Nearly all of them moved to Israel, and those countries will not welcome their children and grandchildren back.
I think what they want to say is that the solution for a colonial apartheid state is to send the colonizers home where they came from.
Is that a genocide in your opinion?