• Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    So at what point in human evolution was one human conscious enough to have the first observation and therefore spring quantum mechanics into existence in the universe?

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      20 hours ago

      What if both human evolution and “other humans” follow the same unfolding? You’d create all of that in every moment. Even the memories and logistics needed for that. That would mean that there is only now and reality has been creating itself over and over again infinitely.

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        12 hours ago

        So only scientists capable of observing create the entire universe from moment to moment? People who are extraordinarily stupid or just sleeping don’t independently exist?

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          11 hours ago

          Being aware is literally observing. So we could all be creating it as a whole. Or it could be pure solipsism, and the sense of self (or the ego) is split into 8 billion different pieces all unfolding reality around each other. Infinity allows this. It’s even possible that it’s pure solipsism and everybody else is in superposition and you unfold literal human lives as you go.

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            8 hours ago

            In physics, the word observation means an interaction. An observation in physics does not mean a human with an arbitrary level of intelligence.

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      18 hours ago

      Obviously any living creature can become entangled with the quantum experiment if you build the right apparatus. Build a machine that kills a cat if an atom decays, and you’ve made cats into quantum observers. When the cat observes the experiment by not dying, it collapses from the cat’s point of view. When you observe the cat, it collapses from your point of view.

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        12 hours ago

        When the cat observes the experiment by not dying, it collapses from the cat’s point of view.

        If an interaction occurs it collapses for all points of view. The geiger counter is the observer.