Im not avoiding the question. Im illustrating the logical conclusion of your argument.
Can a hammer build a house on its own? You can tell a hammer to build a house until your blue in the face but it wont because its inanimate. It is not alive.
If the “baker” in question is my oven that’s doing the baking then yes, I baked the cake.
If the “baker” in question is another human that is using an oven to do the baking then no, I didn’t bake the cake.
So either a human using an inanimate tool like AI to create something counts as the human making that thing and therefore ai art is art because it is made by a human using a tool
OR
AI is its own living conscious individual self and the art it creates isnt made by the human telling it to make the art…in which case your argument is that AI is alive and the art it creates isnt art because ONLY humans can create art(animals and potential alien life be damned).
So which is it. Is AI a tool used by humans or is it alive?
First things first, my oven is voice activated. Point one, me.
So, just so we are clear here…your position is that AI is its own living entity and therefore NOT a tool.
Neat
If that’s the case then in your view, no. I didn’t make it. The “alive” ai I instructed to make it did.
In my view tho, the AI isnt alive and therefore is a tool I used to make the art…which means the only “flaw” in my argument is that you beleive AIs are alive.
So, when you gonna start advocating for AI rights? Or do you think AIs should stay enslaved to humanity?
The method of activation has nothing to do with it. the point is that your oven won’t make the whole cake just by telling it.
And here you just claim that I have that position and start talking as if its true without confirming. That is just embarrassing.
No ai isn’t alive. The little robot that cleans isn’t alive either. I’m astounded at how simple minded you are.
You have to lie, offensively bad because the conversation is there to read through and confirm that it isn’t my position, just to… I don’t even know what you tried to accomplish with that.
If you would put more time into actually learning something maybe you wouldn’t need to redefine “I made” to have something to be proud of. But I guess you know that you are so utterly skillless and unimaginative that you gave up already.
And the part that is completely unbelievable is that, even in an environment where pretty much all the work is done for you your output ist still bad.
The only one making a fool out of themselves is you. Im not claiming anything about your position that you didn’t clearly state yourself.
The little robot that cleans is a tool. Only a fool would claim it is anything else.
When I turn on a vacuum and push it around I am using a TOOL to clean my house.
When I turn on the cleaning robot to clean my house, im using a TOOL to clean my house.
When i set a pre-programmed schedule for that little autonomous cleaning robot to clean my house every Wednesday I am STILL USING A TOOL TO CLEAN MY HOUSE.
Your argument is that there is some imaginary arbitrary % of work done at which the tool is no longer being used to fulfill a task and it somehow magically becomes an “entity” completing the task all on its own.
I dont need to lie about your position, I spent several comments pinning it down with various questions to make sure it was properly fleshed out before I broke it down and addressed it.
The part that is ACTUALLY unbelievable is that you are getting mad at me because you dont fully understand your own position on the topic and you are clearly incapable of extrapolating the conclusions of the arguments you are putting forward.
EITHER:
Ai is a tool humans use to complete a task in which case I used ai to make this art
Or
Its its own living entity completing tasks on its own, of its own free will in which case I didn’t make the art
There is no “third option” where AI is both a tool used in completing a task and also an entity that completes a task all on its own like you seem to want so badly to believe.
For you pushing a button on a entity the going out and coming back to a clean floor is the same as pushing a button on an entity and have to shove it around, manage the cable, go down to reach spots under stuff and so on, is the same.
You are like the dude who wanted to talk about covid and then said he doesn’t believe in aids. Thats the signifier that there is a lack of a fundamental understanding or knowledge. It doesn’t make sense talking to you. You are a waste of time. I want you to know that.
Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you if you asked a baker to make a cake, did you make the cake?
A hammer is a tool. If you told the hammer to build a house and it builds the house on its own, did you build the house?
Im not avoiding the question. Im illustrating the logical conclusion of your argument.
Can a hammer build a house on its own? You can tell a hammer to build a house until your blue in the face but it wont because its inanimate. It is not alive.
If the “baker” in question is my oven that’s doing the baking then yes, I baked the cake.
If the “baker” in question is another human that is using an oven to do the baking then no, I didn’t bake the cake.
So either a human using an inanimate tool like AI to create something counts as the human making that thing and therefore ai art is art because it is made by a human using a tool
OR
AI is its own living conscious individual self and the art it creates isnt made by the human telling it to make the art…in which case your argument is that AI is alive and the art it creates isnt art because ONLY humans can create art(animals and potential alien life be damned).
So which is it. Is AI a tool used by humans or is it alive?
You avoided the question. You didn’t answer it directly but asked a counter question. This is avoiding to answer.
You can tell an oven to bake a cake until you are blue in the face but it won’t because it’s inanimate. It’s not alive.
You argument is flawed and falls apart the second you think about it.
You didn’t make art. Because making something includes making the thing. You told another entity to make something.
Now who’s avoiding.
First things first, my oven is voice activated. Point one, me.
So, just so we are clear here…your position is that AI is its own living entity and therefore NOT a tool.
Neat
If that’s the case then in your view, no. I didn’t make it. The “alive” ai I instructed to make it did.
In my view tho, the AI isnt alive and therefore is a tool I used to make the art…which means the only “flaw” in my argument is that you beleive AIs are alive.
So, when you gonna start advocating for AI rights? Or do you think AIs should stay enslaved to humanity?
You are making a fool out of yourself.
The method of activation has nothing to do with it. the point is that your oven won’t make the whole cake just by telling it.
And here you just claim that I have that position and start talking as if its true without confirming. That is just embarrassing.
No ai isn’t alive. The little robot that cleans isn’t alive either. I’m astounded at how simple minded you are.
You have to lie, offensively bad because the conversation is there to read through and confirm that it isn’t my position, just to… I don’t even know what you tried to accomplish with that.
If you would put more time into actually learning something maybe you wouldn’t need to redefine “I made” to have something to be proud of. But I guess you know that you are so utterly skillless and unimaginative that you gave up already.
And the part that is completely unbelievable is that, even in an environment where pretty much all the work is done for you your output ist still bad.
The only one making a fool out of themselves is you. Im not claiming anything about your position that you didn’t clearly state yourself.
The little robot that cleans is a tool. Only a fool would claim it is anything else.
When I turn on a vacuum and push it around I am using a TOOL to clean my house.
When I turn on the cleaning robot to clean my house, im using a TOOL to clean my house.
When i set a pre-programmed schedule for that little autonomous cleaning robot to clean my house every Wednesday I am STILL USING A TOOL TO CLEAN MY HOUSE.
Your argument is that there is some imaginary arbitrary % of work done at which the tool is no longer being used to fulfill a task and it somehow magically becomes an “entity” completing the task all on its own.
I dont need to lie about your position, I spent several comments pinning it down with various questions to make sure it was properly fleshed out before I broke it down and addressed it.
The part that is ACTUALLY unbelievable is that you are getting mad at me because you dont fully understand your own position on the topic and you are clearly incapable of extrapolating the conclusions of the arguments you are putting forward.
EITHER:
Ai is a tool humans use to complete a task in which case I used ai to make this art
Or
Its its own living entity completing tasks on its own, of its own free will in which case I didn’t make the art
There is no “third option” where AI is both a tool used in completing a task and also an entity that completes a task all on its own like you seem to want so badly to believe.
I’m convinced you are a bot, a person can’t possibly be this dense. I refuse to believe that.
Cool ad hominem.
Ok, ill make this simple.
Did I use AI to generate this art?
Yes or no?
You bet your ass I’m avoiding.
For you pushing a button on a entity the going out and coming back to a clean floor is the same as pushing a button on an entity and have to shove it around, manage the cable, go down to reach spots under stuff and so on, is the same.
You are like the dude who wanted to talk about covid and then said he doesn’t believe in aids. Thats the signifier that there is a lack of a fundamental understanding or knowledge. It doesn’t make sense talking to you. You are a waste of time. I want you to know that.