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Kropotkin in a nutshell
Lol so many people in this thread have been brainwashed.
Do you y’all seriously believe in Ants??!??
It is in their nature to work like this. They are specialised drones serving that exact purpose. The queen is btw no different. It is the DNA housing drone that produces all kind of drones. Their brains are pheromonally connected. Most possibly they share one brain (and consciousness) and are equipped for some brain parts “getting lost”. It is anthropomorphizing to assume that they act like a human kingdom, where the queen (or king) is the upmost of all things to achieve in one or the other way. Ants are also all female. Only drones for mating are male.
Where ants are concerned, drone refers specifically to the males who are born to mate and then die. The sterile females are called workers.
We live in a society
for ants
I love how the first clown makeup iteration was built in by nature of this being a false color EM
Fun fact: most known ant species’ workers are 0.01% genetically different than each other (ie. queen[s]:mate[s] ratio), and therefore are closer to clones than individual consciousnesses, strictly speaking. ☝🏼🤓
closer to clones than individual consciousnesses
You know that genetic clones are still individuals with independent brains, right?
Like twins don’t have to take on the same profession or have the same personality. They’re about as mentally different as any other random person.You should look into the percentage of difference, friend. These are not “twins” by any means.
Are you aware of what identical twins are?
Are you aware that identical twins aren’t sired from a father who was also sired from the same mother?
So many here so confident in their lack of knowledge and getting petulant with it. 🙄
Then, other than their genetic code, what else is copied between individuals? Is their brain fully encoded in their chromosomes? Does the queen ant go and copy the same brain into all worker ants? Do the worker ants, when pupating, connect to the colonies wifi network and download the current neuronal image for network booting?
Do they share their fingerprints (for example hair placement) too?Insects are complex and different in how they process information. Ants are smart for insects, but still not fully individuals in the same way we look at mammals or other animals.
https://wildlifeinformer.com/do-ants-have-brains/
The simple answer is thoughts are pheromones. Essentially one ant shares it’s individual experiences with the entire colony and the colony all works for the same goals. So yeah they kinda connect to the colony organic wifi by releasing the same chemicals that other animals do but the chemicals are shared.
So one feels rewarded, the rest do and that leads to them working together. This is why if you piss one off, they all attack because that chemical is shared with the colony and all of them become aggressive.
Also a vast majority of insects are born with all the basic functions and skills of an adult. They come out knowing exactly what to do and how. There really is no “learning”, the colony learns the individual shares that knowledge.
So every new ant pops out fully functional and basically downloads the rest from the colony to know where found food/water sources are if they are collectors. If they are soldiers they instantly get in line to protect the hive and know the layout.
So every ant, clone or not, is probably set up to only function in a colony.
And I assume the genetics determine the language, so that even related ant nests don’t merge but stay distinct?
I’m not as knowledgeable about ant genetics as the other fellow. But I do know ants recognize each other from the same colony through chemical signals.
There are insects that can hijack that, I think rival ants can even trick the ants of another colony to kill their own queen. There are also rival queens that can kill another queen and the rest of colony thinks that’s their queen. Essentially stealing and entire colony of ants they did not birth.
So they are heavy into identification through chemical means over anything else. Genetics has not a lot to do with identification.
I’m more of a spider guy. But the insect and arachnid worlds are fascinating to me.
Ooh! I love arachnids! Did you happen to catch that research on their pneumatic mobility system that was used in miniature robot models? 😱😍… 😬
The “language” you speak of is more often expressed via pheromones rather than sound xor gesture, where ants are concerned —similar to the majority of the insect kingdom, and beyond.
Here’re some more ant facts!
amidst silliness
The argument is that ant colonies are better understood as organisms themselves with the individuals acting more like digits of the single organism.
Which you can argue for, but doesn’t stem from them being all almost twins.
I can say Humans are 99.6% genetically identical, and I can say nations are kinda like independent organisms (more sketchy a statement than for ants), but I definitely can’t say Humans are 99.6% genetically identical, and thus nations are kinda like independent organisms.
“Ants are almost twins” is not the cause of “Ants are not really autonomous individuals”
You’re pretty wound up for someone with “questions”. I’ll wait until you’ve calmed down, thanks.
Nothing indicated they were upset at all, this comes across as very rude and dismissive.
You’re mixing being a clone with being the same individual and sharing a mind, which are completely different things.
Nah, the former is scientifically sound, and the latter is SciFi. 😝
clones exists look at sheep and you
Are you high, or did you mix up the order of former/latter?
bingo
This is wrong. They get the same DNA father side because male ants are haploid (meaning they have one chromosome of each instead of a pair like diploids) but they get different genes from their mother so they are more closely related than human siblings but no where near your made up number. They are still 25% different
None of y’all used citations so everyone is wrong!
This is not how anything works. I’m giving you free information by repeating stuff I learned at school and university. If you want to be sure, look it up. This is far from hidden knowledge. I couldn’t care less if I convince a stranger on the internet.
No.
You get an F! No passing grade! Citation is needed or you will not pass this class young man!
This is not a test and citations aren’t needed in most tests?
But citations are needed in papers or articles when stating facts in an argument.
The males are born from the same queen they’re spawned to mate with, Doolittle. FFS.
Fertilized eggs are female, unfertilized eggs male. That’s why they are haploid. They are not going to mate their mother. Go read a book.
ALL OF THE GENETIC MATERIAL COMES FROM THE MOTHER, INCLUDING THE MALES THAT FERTILIZE HER EGGS. Fucking child. 😐
Fucking child. 😐
Oh, you insulted me, now I’m convinced.
You might want to edit the wikipedia page because they are spreading lies. Closed to the truth is this:
Males will mount females in the air, but the actual mating process usually takes place on the ground. Females of some species mate with just one male but in others they may mate with as many as ten or more different males, storing the sperm in their spermathecae. The genus Cardiocondyla have species with both winged and wingless males, where the latter will only mate with females living in the same nest. Some species in the genus have lost winged males completely, and only produce wingless males. In C. elegans, workers may transport newly emerged queens to other conspecific nests where the wingless males from unrelated colonies can mate with them, a behavioural adaptation that may reduce the chances of inbreeding.
So there are some species within one genus where most males will mate within their nest (which doesn’t necessarily mean their own mother because not all ants are fully social, I don’t know about this genus) and even they have mechanisms to avoid the incest you described.
I’m very sorry for trying to educate you. I’m very sorry if I threw you from peak mount stupid. You do not have to do the bare minimum and read wikipedia articles if you already have enough superficial knowledge to feel superior to people who know stuff. It’s enough to insult them to prove them wrong. I apologize for any inconvenience.
So they’re boba Fett
Some are boba-sized, even!
It’s funny how different hypothetical scenarios already exist in nature.
I’m sorry to inform you that the fact is made up. It’s more like 25% in the case of ants. I wrote more in another comment.
But there are greenfly who can reproduce sexually or asexually. In the former case, they have two parents – boring. But females can just have daughters with the same genetics. They don’t lie eggs but are live bearing so they get pregnant when they choose to. And there isn’t an age limit. In fact they can be pregnant and their daughter is already pregnant before birth, all genetically identical.
So many! Too many to count, one might even say!
Holy shit why did I do this I’m laughing so hard right now
solo leveling arguably did ant-taur? better
The thing that makes him a clown is thinking the queen is in charge.
But like who is in charge?
There’s not really such a thing as ‘in charge’ for ants. The colony is a single multi-body organism.
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They’re more or less clones, the queen is “in charge” because she’s a linchpin to the colony keeping going genetically.
Where is the idea that worker ants are clones coming from? They share about 75% of their genes. That’s a lot but far from more or less clones
Another comment mentioned it, but the DNA is 99.9-100% in common. Ants have haplodiploidy, so the females and males aren’t just male/female versions of the same DNA.
Also, if a queen dies, her own worker larva are raised into new queens. So the meme is just silly overall.
Another comment mentioned it, but the DNA is 99.9-100% in common
And I answered that comment as well. Haplodiploidy leads to the 75% figure rather than 50% most siblings have.
Also, if a queen dies, her own worker larva are raised into new queens.
They get special food (gele royal). Ants have their role from birth, there is no changing caste. I’m not sure if this has anything to do with the queen dying. Pretty sure it’s more about the season of the year.
The meme says “the queen will notice me” which has nothing to do with who becomes the next queen.
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I ant serious, and don’t call me Shirley.
Like the dogstar? Man I wish my parents had named me something cool…
But the proteins compel me.
You could also make meme about queen working hard in hope for retirement :)
what happened to 40(?) percent of workers sitting idle to act as backups?
