• Greyghoster@aussie.zone
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      The issue is more births or more migration or both. Otherwise we have declining population which is totally incompatible with capitalism.

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      Because we all need help as we get older. Whether it’s cleaning solar panels or showering, we all need some level of help.

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        Because we all need help as we get older.

        Yes, we do. Why do we need more births for that?

        There are still plenty of people being born, and growing up and entering the work force as adults. We (i.e. society, i.e. whoever holds the purse strings) can offer better pay and better job conditions for those workers, so that it’s a more appealing career for the people who will already be looking for jobs.

        Better help for the people who will be born anyway. Not pushing for more births.

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          Who is performing the help? We don’t have enough people now that want to help. Go to any nursing home and see that we need to import the help. If we want to continue that way then we need to grow. Either people are born here or we import births from other countries. Either way the births have to happen.

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            We don’t have enough people now that want to help. Go to any nursing home and see that we need to import the help.

            Don’t want to help? At the pay rates and job conditions on offer, that’s right.

            An obvious solution is to raise the offered pay (by whatever means; the government can certainly afford to subsidise this) and improve the job conditions (by regulation enforcing proper treatment of workers).

            There are plenty of people willing to work, if the work is properly remunerated and stable and dignified. If the job is worth doing – as we both agree it is – then let’s show that, by making it feasible for plenty of people to have a dignified life doing that work.

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              I hear you but with the privatised system that has been handed to us the whole system goes to the lowest bidder. Unfortunately most people want to pay as little as possible so hospitality and caring roles are in a race to the bottom.

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        The average worker is several times more productive than they were 100 years ago and women have entered as well. If we don’t have enough workers, that’s evidence the value isn’t going where it should.

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          Half the shit inmyour house didn’t exist 100 years ago. The things we need/want in our lives now take more effort to design and build. Go move in with the Amish if you want the 100 years ago life