Laying fiber that supports 200G literally costs exactly the same as fiber that supports 100M. It’s just single mode fiber and when you have it you can run anything over it you want. You can also add expensive DWDM equipment at both sides and run a multi Tbit line over it. Also you can still use it in 25 years.
Building anything else than P2P fiber is just dumb.
It’s funny because we actually have three fiber providers where I am now. They all have their own last mile runs, with fiber to the home. And none of them even offer 10Gb. It makes no sense. At this point fiber itself is way cheaper than copper. 10Gb/s switching equipment is cheaper than 1Gb/s was 15 years ago. The infrastructure is literally there, and it’s like nobody cares.
In Romania we have 10gbps in some regions. 2.5gbps is becoming common in cities and 1gbps is the norm everywhere. You don’t have to use Switzerland as a benchmark here!
Back in 2008, when the industry sat down at the Round Table organized by the Federal Communications Commission, it was Swisscom, the incumbent itself, that pushed for the four-fiber Point-to-Point model. The company argued that a single fiber would create a monopoly and that regulation would be necessary.
So the standard was set. Four fibers per home. Point-to-Point. Open access for competitors on Layer 1 - the physical fiber itself.
Then, in 2020, Swisscom changed course. The company announced a new network expansion strategy, this time using P2MP, the shared model with splitters. On paper, they argued it was cheaper and faster to deploy.
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Swisscom fought this all the way to the Federal Court. They lost. In 2021, the Federal Administrative Court confirmed COMCO’s measures, stating that Swisscom had failed to demonstrate “sufficient technological or economic grounds” to deviate from the established fiber standard.5 In April 2024, COMCO finalized its ruling, fining Swisscom 18 million francs for violating antitrust law.God damn
I’m sad this article uses AI images, instead of the obvious choice to show a Comcast employee rubbing their nipples
A lot of people in here saying they have no use case for it, but if everyone had this kind of connection then the use cases could start to emerge.
When I briefly had really fast fiber, the noticeable latency difference was insane. It’s not enough to go by a simple ping. Nobody uses the internet by sending pings. Real world use is about moving a lot of data. A more accurate measure of latency is bandwidth. Everything loads instantly. It’s like going from HDD to SSD or single core to multicore CPU. I probably rarely max out the bandwidth of my modern SSDs or CPUs but they’re just faster.
Also it seems like a lot people, especially Americans, cope about everything they aren’t the best at. Tell themselves they don’t need it. What’s it for? It’s useless. It sucks anyways. They don’t want it… Like immature little kids. When they have the thing then suddenly everyone else sucks for not having it.
What does P2MP mean?
Point to multipoint.
How do I even ask an ISP if a fiber network is shared or dedicated?
I don’t know the words, and the sales reps probably don’t know either. I don’t live in either Europe nor North America.
I’m willing to pay $10,000 for a dedicated fiber line that’s shared by no one else, but I literally don’t know how to explain what I need when I call the ISP.
How does 4 strands mean 4 providers?
Can you communicate bidirectionally on just one fiber strand?
Yes. Using different colors of light and polarisation, you could even have multiple connections going over the same wire/fibre.
I thought Korea was #1?
cries in Australian
Remember how we were going to have a full FTTP NBN, but then the Liberals fucked it?
Cause I will never forget.
I live near San Francisco and I pay like $55/month for Sonic fiber. It’s 10G down, 10G up, which is absurdly fast for me. Almost all my devices can only use 1G so I definitely don’t need 10G. I was just so fucking sick of Comcast, I was paying quite a bit more for 1G from them.
I’ma be dead honest. It’s the same for a lot of rail systems and public transport. All of Switzerland is like 16,000 square miles. The continental US is 3,120,000 square miles. Laying out high speed fiber on such a small plot of land would be as easy as losing a fart in the wind.
My guy. We are the richest country in the history of the universe.
Stop making excuses.
We have the money, we have the people, we could absolutely make this country better.
Stop making excuses.
It’s funny how every single time, the usians have the same exact excuse. Even when it’s proven irrelevant.
so you’re saying it takes the same amount of time, money, and effort to paint a room that’s 100sqm vs one that’s 18,750sqm?
If youre running 25 gigabit to all of the Nevada desert youre even dumber than you sound
No, they are saying that you have 100 times more resources, so you could do it if you really wanted.
100 times more resources? wtf are you talking about? fiber isn’t manufactured in the US.
manpower has an upper limit of what actually helps. ie: you can’t make a baby faster by getting more women pregnant.
if you want to talk about money, Switzerland is literally founded on banking establishments.
so what “resources” are you referring to?
Now look at Switzerland. Here, the physical infrastructure, the fiber in the ground, is treated as a neutral, shared asset. It’s built once, often by a public or semi-public entity.
Every home gets a dedicated 4-strand fiber line. Point-to-Point. Not shared. Not split 32 ways.
That dedicated fiber terminates in a neutral, open hub. And any internet service provider can connect to that hub.
Init7, Swisscom, Salt, or a tiny local ISP, they all have equal access to the physical line that goes into your home.
But that’s communism!!1! /s
Which is funny because Switzerland is probably one of the most economically liberal country in Europe.
Based on secret nazi gold and “banking secrets” (taking care of illegal funds).
The Swiss are no angels.
Also, what do you do with > 1gbit fiber??
Also, what do you do with > 1gbit fiber??
:-DDD obviously a question from somebody without a good Internet connection, it maybe it needs /s at the end?
I move large datasets for various projects. We also have some servers that get surges of activity (see: my kids run game servers with friends sometimes).
Having high speed fiber to the home has been great.
Oh, and the latency is much more consistent. On cable or dsl I often experienced many more laggy transmissions and packet retransmits.
I have 1gb/0.7gb fiber and do similar stuff. Latency is golden and speed is top notch according to me. I actually have 5gbps (2.5+1+1+0.5 or something, Also 10Gb is just +10€/m) but it’s just expensive to replace my old ethernet cables & routers IMO for bo gain.
Sometimes it’s not about what you can do now, but in the future.
Some months ago I’ve watched a documentation about a small village in Germany with abysmal internet access and how how multiple companies there struggled to do any work beyond being a bakery.
There was a construction company pre-building blocks for houses out of lumber and their CNC machining required stable internet access. They weren’t able to work for days because of fluctuations.
I have a one gigabit line here at my home and even I struggle sometimes uploading bigger assets to my company’s servers.
I like the approach Switzerland went with. If you tear up the road, put down the most modern infrastructure available at the moment. Don’t bother with “good enough for the moment”.
Bet that bakery didn’t have a measly 1gb fiber though, so it’s not really relevant IMO.
Also, what do you do with > 1gbit fiber??
More than 10 years ago, Australia started rolling out it’s national broadband network. The original plan was for fibre-to-the-premises for every dwelling in the country. The governing party that came up with the idea was voted out for other reasons, the conservative party(s) - a coalition of two parties - gained power and stripped it back, it would be fibre-to-the-node for the majority of the country, with some places gaining fttp. or fibre-to-the-curb. Before this it was (mostly) all copper wiring and ADSL. Speeds were supposed to be close to gbit, but the conservative party questioned that, like you have, why would we need more than 20mbit speeds. Nobody needs those speeds citing this, as well as costing issues the conservative party ended up spending more to deliver less. Years later, when future reality hit everyone in the face with how internet-centric the world was becoming there were plans to bring forward fttp to all dwellings in the country, costing more. So, instead of just sticking with what was originally planned, which would have future-proofed the network for some time, they ended up spending more, to deliver less, then ended up costing more to finish the job as was originally intended. Which still isn’t finished yet.
It should also be noted, that when announcing the changes to the planned network, the conservative government chose to do so at Foxtels studios. Foxtel is Australia’s largest (pretty much only) cable/satellite tv provider. Foxtel, being listed on the NYSE had disclosed to investors that one of the risks to its business at the time was the upcoming NBN, given the apparent rise of Netflix, and other online streaming entertainment. Now of course it’s not fair to suggest any link between the two events, as it also isnt fair to suggest that cost blowouts wouldn’t have occurred had they kept to the plan. However, the facts are, they bastardised the plan, it cost tax payers more money, it required rework less than a decade later, and it still isn’t up to the level it was originally intended for.
Should be noted that the conservative party is also the party that cut ABC funding (Australian Broadcasting Corparation - the public broadcaster. least biased. Most attacked by cuntservatives). Meaning the ABC couldn’t afford to produce Bluey solely on their own, meaning they had to sign deals with BBC and such, which gave the BBC full merchandising rights. So, given Bluey is an Australian created world-wide smash hit, not one cent goes back to australia (minus anything from the original creators). So again, the fiscally conservative party, screwed over the people again. Then had the audacity to attack the ABC for the bad deals created for Bluey.
Massive tangent there, I apologise. However, my main point was, the majority may need more than 1gbit, or more than a couple hundred mbit right now, but it will at least be future-proofed for a good while, saving more money in the long run.
Interesting read! But still doesn’t address my question!
I’m on 1/0.7gbps since IDK almost 10 years? Family, Minecraft servers, I build P2P stuff, we all watch videos and so on.
As I explained elsewhere, I’m actually on 2.5gb(+1+1+.5 or something) but havent felt the need to upgrade my local 1gb network. 10gb is only +10€/m too if I need that.
But I don’t, so I wonder what people would/is use it for, not if 20mb is enough 😁. Were mostly even on wifi, and that’s only 0.6gb…
Excellent justification for my constant desire to punch Malcolm Turnbull repeatedly in the face.
That cockhead set back the entire country a decade just so he could knife the PM and get 15 minutes in the top chair before getting knifed himself.
God I hope he falls over on the shower and lands anus first on a shampoo bottle.
Also, what do you do with > 1gbit fiber??
instead of saving anything to a hard drive you just keep a constant stream of download <-> upload going to keep the data in the tubes
Fantastic 😁!
maybe they can say internet freedom
I suppose they can do about 25x more. But that’s just my bad math.
Switzerland can be driven from top to bottom in about 4 hours. The entire country. It’s tiny. That’s how.
