This is the “Hitler was a vegetarian so you’re a nazi if you’re a vegetarian” argument. Intent and context matter. Is all violence equal for you, as well?
Sorry, but is that really what you get from my comments in this chain of comments? That this is my point? Because then I really need to work on my way of phrasing things…
Yes. Your whole concept is that if you do something the fascists do then you’re the same thing. Tactics and motives aren’t intrinsically paired, the same objective activity can have entirely different motivations from one group to the next. Anonymity is a tool, it says nothing of motive other than not wanting to be identified, and the motives to oppress and to stop oppression can both utilize it for entirely opposing reasons to achieve entirely opposing goals. Fascists use guns to kill people, but guns also kill fascists, there are only so many tools and not using a hammer because the guy you hate uses a hammer to do things you don’t like, even though you can use a hammer to do different things than what they use it for, just means you don’t have a hammer to do the things a hammer is needed to do.
mathematically speaking: yes. except nuance indicates one cohort is a group of fascists hell bent on destroying people for who they are, and the other cohort is about destroying people and systems for who they CHOOSE to be.
Being a nazi is a choice. A choice that the public should remind you, daily, that you have immutably given up your humanity.
Being against fascism is a choice that should remind you that you chose humanity and chose to fight the inhuman pieces of shit the who seek to destroy it.
Yeah for sure all of that. I agree with every word you say and I think you also phrased it beautifully.
I still dont really get the backlash against pointing out that nazis wearing masks is actually pretty reasonable from their perspective and not really a sign of weakness (weakness isnt even a bad thing yo) or hypocrisy.
My flippant reaction was just based on the replies that tried to point out supposedly false equivalence when none of my comments stated that I viewed fascists and antifascists even remotely in the same category of morally good or bad.
Reading comprehension is piss poor and the majority of people are more reactive than logical. We live in a mock for mock society who’s only goal is to own the opposition. Call a nazi anything but a put down, and I do so love (/s) how often the people who are supposed to be on my side will use misogynistic/homophobic/transphobic language to do so, is seen as siding with them instead of an actual threat assessment.
Someone will misread my comment and be mad about it.
it’s because there is nothing to be gained by applying the label “reasonable” to anything, at all, a fascist does. anything. mask reasons, especially. they are here to kill, only to kill, and they need to be treated as such. applying “reasonable” to them, as if they are humans at all, is an incorrect move.
You are just wrong here. Being able see fascists motivations, understanding their reasoning and figuring out their strategies is one of the keys to defeat them. And you don’t have to treat them differently just because you are able to make sense out of their behavior, because why should you?
i think we just slightly are misaligned. i can see their means/reasons. i just refuse to consider the fascists human. i can see their means math behind why they consider a b or c reasonable, i just cannot consider it reasonable for society.
i’m prob just being hungry and pedantic! my bad! truly.
So you mean both use it to hide from their enemies?
This is the “Hitler was a vegetarian so you’re a nazi if you’re a vegetarian” argument. Intent and context matter. Is all violence equal for you, as well?
Sorry, but is that really what you get from my comments in this chain of comments? That this is my point? Because then I really need to work on my way of phrasing things…
Yes. Your whole concept is that if you do something the fascists do then you’re the same thing. Tactics and motives aren’t intrinsically paired, the same objective activity can have entirely different motivations from one group to the next. Anonymity is a tool, it says nothing of motive other than not wanting to be identified, and the motives to oppress and to stop oppression can both utilize it for entirely opposing reasons to achieve entirely opposing goals. Fascists use guns to kill people, but guns also kill fascists, there are only so many tools and not using a hammer because the guy you hate uses a hammer to do things you don’t like, even though you can use a hammer to do different things than what they use it for, just means you don’t have a hammer to do the things a hammer is needed to do.
mathematically speaking: yes. except nuance indicates one cohort is a group of fascists hell bent on destroying people for who they are, and the other cohort is about destroying people and systems for who they CHOOSE to be.
Being a nazi is a choice. A choice that the public should remind you, daily, that you have immutably given up your humanity.
Being against fascism is a choice that should remind you that you chose humanity and chose to fight the inhuman pieces of shit the who seek to destroy it.
Yeah for sure all of that. I agree with every word you say and I think you also phrased it beautifully.
I still dont really get the backlash against pointing out that nazis wearing masks is actually pretty reasonable from their perspective and not really a sign of weakness (weakness isnt even a bad thing yo) or hypocrisy.
My flippant reaction was just based on the replies that tried to point out supposedly false equivalence when none of my comments stated that I viewed fascists and antifascists even remotely in the same category of morally good or bad.
Reading comprehension is piss poor and the majority of people are more reactive than logical. We live in a mock for mock society who’s only goal is to own the opposition. Call a nazi anything but a put down, and I do so love (/s) how often the people who are supposed to be on my side will use misogynistic/homophobic/transphobic language to do so, is seen as siding with them instead of an actual threat assessment.
Someone will misread my comment and be mad about it.
it’s because there is nothing to be gained by applying the label “reasonable” to anything, at all, a fascist does. anything. mask reasons, especially. they are here to kill, only to kill, and they need to be treated as such. applying “reasonable” to them, as if they are humans at all, is an incorrect move.
You are just wrong here. Being able see fascists motivations, understanding their reasoning and figuring out their strategies is one of the keys to defeat them. And you don’t have to treat them differently just because you are able to make sense out of their behavior, because why should you?
i think we just slightly are misaligned. i can see their means/reasons. i just refuse to consider the fascists human. i can see their means math behind why they consider a b or c reasonable, i just cannot consider it reasonable for society.
i’m prob just being hungry and pedantic! my bad! truly.