The front page of the New York Times. 5 days before the election.

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    16 hours ago

    All this was basically known by the end of Trump1.0 (yeah yeah some will say they knew it in 2015 already, but it took me a while). But who didn’t see it after Jan6 '21 was beyond deliberately ignorant.

    Him getting re-elected really fucked up a lot of us.

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      17 hours ago

      I expected his first term to go much as his first term actually did. I expected his second term to be worse, but not this much worse.

      If he was going to dismantle NATO, I would have expected him to do it shortly after Putin got him elected.

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        16 hours ago

        First term, second term… Jan6 should’ve been the tipping point in everybody’s perception. Not just the event and Trump’s involvement in it, but the aftermath, all of MAGA, the baking, the hysteria, the hate.

        I expected his 2nd term to become much worse, I felt the fear in my gut across the ocean when the election result came out.

        But yeah, of course I didn’t have any concrete vision, so it’s still shocking, all the time.

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          15 hours ago

          didnt help the dems slow rolled his conviction because they thought they’d win against him in an election and basically broadcasting to everyone that ‘he wasnt as bad as people say! its just political nonsense!’

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      11 hours ago

      Anyone that claims to have known anything in 2015 about Drumpf is lying to themselves. He wasn’t considered a serious candidate back then. Heck he wasn’t considered a serious candidate once he gained the GOP nomination. Going into the 2016 election, basically everyone thought that there was no way that Drumpf would win, including himself and his team based on their live reactions when it was called for him.

      I kinda suspect that the GOP was rigging the voting machines far before the 2016 election, but they never told Drumpf or his team, so when he won, Drumpf and his team were kinda blindsided, and didn’t have plans in place.

      Anyone that claims they didn’t have any idea of his plans after 2021 was being intentionally ignorant. Something that The Greediest Generation has perfected for themselves.

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        5 hours ago

        I kinda suspect that the GOP was rigging the voting machines

        It’s not just the machines. The whole system is - well, prone to rigging. Voter ID, closing down voting places, fucking gerrymandering … also see Florida 2001, that was a blueprint for what we’re seeing today.

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      14 hours ago

      Yeah, nothing happening now is surprising to anyone paying any attention in 2016, which was apparently basically nobody.