The insidious urge to fix what ain’t broke has arisen. I’ll probably follow the official documentation, unless someone has a better suggestion.
I’m not running anything unusual and I haven’t done much, if any, “customization”. I update packages maybe a couple of times a week, so they’re current.
Should I go ahead and put myself through this now, or wait until support is dropped and I’m forced?

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    I snapshot my machine, set it to go overnight, went to bed. Woke up, 24% done “Do you want to use the package maintainer’s version?”. Grr. Went smooth though.

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    How much pain you should expect is easily answered: Expect several things to break and having to do a full reinstall. So back up everything first.

    It will probably not happen, but you should always expect the worst (out of the realistic at least…) outcome and be prepared.

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    Most of my infra is Debian, and I did it without serious incident:

    #Update everything to latest
    apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade && apt --purge autoremove
    reboot
    
    #Verify that debian_version is 12.x (STOP IF NOT 12!)
    cat /etc/debian_version
    
    #Check for any pinned or held packages
    apt list '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?origin(Debian)))'
    apt-mark showhold
    
    #Swap bookworm for trixie in repo files
    sed -i 's/bookworm/trixie/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
    sed -i 's/bookworm/trixie/g' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
    
    #Carry out update
    apt update
    apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs -y
    apt full-upgrade -y
    reboot
    
    #Verify that debian_version is 13.x
    cat /etc/debian_version
    
    #Modernize apt sources to v3
    apt modernize-sources -y
    

    And then maybe apt update to make sure the updates still work OK.

    Sometimes you have to make changes to certain repos that don’t have Trixie manifests, but that’s easy enough to roll back.

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      apt modernize-sources -y

      Thanks for this - I hadn’t seen it yet in the docs I’ve been looking at.
      No idea what it does, but it looks legit, so I’ll run it!

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    Make sure linux headers stay installed. Mine didn’t for some reason and then zfs dkms didn’t compile anymore. All I had to do was install it again, though, so the googling why it didn’t compile was the hard part. The boot disk was luckily just ext.

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    I’ve yolo’d every major upgrade from debian 8 to 13 without any backups of configs and survived… (dont do that though)

    For most desktop systems where you’re not dicking around with files in /etc, there is almost no pain ever

    For servers, dealing with the "do you want to install the maintainers version of ____.conf, sucks… trying to remember all the things i put in php.ini is a pain

    Probably skill issue

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    The first sentence gives away, that this is not a technical, but a psychological question. I think most of us know this feeling of this kind of urge, I’d say plan ahead, backup then upgrade. Or -depending on your usecase- a clean install and rebuild satisfies the urge even better. :) (no offense, I did this myself multiple times)

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    Annecdata here, but I didn’t have any significant problems on like 5 servers. I recall there being one minor edge case, but I don’t remember what it was (sorry). But other than that it was really easy. Even my nvidia drivers continued to work (for cuda, not GUI), which was really surprising. ZFS, docker, ssh, nfs, etc. all continued to work without any problems.

    If you want to do a test run, create a 12 VM and install your same package list, then upgrade it and see what happens. That could take as little as an hour to do, but more likely a few hours if you want to really take time to inspect everything after the upgrade.

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    I backed up my configs, made snapshots, and rebuilt each VM from scratch. If I forgot to copy a cron script, i pulled it from the snapshot. It took a full Saturday, but it was a chance to apply everything ive learned the last 3 years and improve some architecture decisions I’d made when i was first learning. With proxmox, you can build a VM that has the basic things you’ll change on every machine (networking, docker, automatic updates, ssh keys, monitoring) and clone it for each server you need.

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    I updated NAS, VPS and Raspberry Pis not so long ago. All when smooth and without issue.

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    Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:

    Fewer Letters More Letters
    LXC Linux Containers
    NAS Network-Attached Storage
    SSH Secure Shell for remote terminal access
    VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)
    ZFS Solaris/Linux filesystem focusing on data integrity

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    I update my servers very promptly and have never had a problem with a version jump. Apt handles this well.

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    0.076

    Update when you can afford downtime. The update should be painless but you know how it is: things go crazy when they shouldn’t. Every time.

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    The official docs have everything, though not as well ordered and concise as they could be.

    I’ve taken my server from 11 to 12 to 13. Only issue was 11->12 where backports caused some issue that I no longer remember the specifics of (never broke SSH link), so I just don’t fuck with backports anymore. You need to have your shit together for backports, from what I’ve gathered.

    12->13 was abs smooth as butter. Extra 3rd party repos weren’t even an issue. One I had to leave “bookworm” because they didn’t have trixie entries; I found it had no trixie entry by looking at the repo itself - it just kept working no problem after the upgrade anyway.
    And I have a “stretch” repo I took from 12 to 13 on another server (it’s mongoDB 4.4 for unifi, an abs shitshow of software those bozos cook up)

    Anyway tldr docs are good narry a problem will occur.

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    I recently upgraded my gaming pc from Bookworm to Trixie. It was fairly painless. Had to fiddle with some third party repos, but I anticipated that and read up on them beforehand.