Ehhh not particularly. The bible does show early examples of Christian Jews who kept partaking of Jewish practices after Jesus, but it fizzled out eventually.
In that context, the definition of a Jew wouldn’t be someone who isn’t a Christian.
How I’d categorise it, the religion of Messianic Jews would be Christianity. Messianic Judaism is a denomination of Christianity.
From what I’ve heard, though, it can be a bit of a larp at times.
The religion that Jesus participated in became what is now Christianity. Jewish tradition wasn’t obligatory for gentile believers, which basically makes up the majority of the Church now
Not to be confused with modern day rabbinic Judaism which rejects even a lot of what Jews in Jesus’ time held to
Jesus was Jewish. Be would have followed most of the Jewish laws and followed many of the observance less those he believed needed to change. Or would have if he existed
not everyone. while there’s some historical documentation Jesus may have been a historical person, there’s also hoax and fraudulent accounts that have been passed on as historical, the narrative outside of Christian religious accounts is very minimal and the religious accounts only start up at best 20+ years after his lifetime but more likely 50-100 years after, as it was a doomsday cult, they didn’t see the point of writing things down all that much until enough time passed they started to have a longer view of when the end would be.
Most records of historical people from that era were written well after, Jesus’ records were actually comparatively recent.
the narrative outside of Christian religious accounts is very minimal
Narratives surrounding Roman leaders, etc, outside of Roman accounts would be very minimal also. If Jesus of Nazareth really was God, it would be expected that the first-hand witnesses would of course be His followers and those that were close to Him. We do have enough from external accounts to know that He was crucified, and those that knew Him said He did miracles, they witnessed it, and that He was worshipped as God and it was widely claimed that He rose from the dead, and His body was never found. And the same people who said they witnessed it wouldn’t recant it either, on pain of death. The movement exploded a bit initially, and this would have been with first hand witnesses still alive that people could talk to, and quite a large number of them at that.
Sure, there’s not really a specific smoking gun, but it’s actually quite a lot more plausible than you realise.
Ahh I didn’t know the naming conventions, rabbinic new. Thanks for the knowledge, I’ll be reading the wiki on that for future reference.
I believe a person named Jesus existed, or dont care to deny it at the very least. I just wanted to be inclusive of different view points around the very existence of the person we call Jesus so thanks for supporting me in that, as I don’t always speak good
I heard this was a case. The original intention of the movement was for evangelism towards rabbinic jews, but ended up not being the case.
I think part of it as well is that Evangelicals seem to be adverse to historic Christian tradition because it’s “too Catholic” but want something historical and esoteric to cling to, so they just find their own things. Which is sad, because the reformers often held on to tradition (Especially Martin Luther)
Ehhh not particularly. The bible does show early examples of Christian Jews who kept partaking of Jewish practices after Jesus, but it fizzled out eventually.
In that context, the definition of a Jew wouldn’t be someone who isn’t a Christian.
How I’d categorise it, the religion of Messianic Jews would be Christianity. Messianic Judaism is a denomination of Christianity.
From what I’ve heard, though, it can be a bit of a larp at times.
Jesus was famously a Jew, and he participated in Jewish tradition. It’d be weird for Christians to be against it.
The religion that Jesus participated in became what is now Christianity. Jewish tradition wasn’t obligatory for gentile believers, which basically makes up the majority of the Church now
Not to be confused with modern day rabbinic Judaism which rejects even a lot of what Jews in Jesus’ time held to
Jesus was Jewish. Be would have followed most of the Jewish laws and followed many of the observance less those he believed needed to change. Or would have if he existed
Basically everyone agrees that Jesus existed, was a Jew and was even crucified under Pontius Pilate.
Jesus was Jewish in first century terms, yes. He followed second-temple Judaism. He wasn’t a rabbinic Jew, which is what’s around today.
not everyone. while there’s some historical documentation Jesus may have been a historical person, there’s also hoax and fraudulent accounts that have been passed on as historical, the narrative outside of Christian religious accounts is very minimal and the religious accounts only start up at best 20+ years after his lifetime but more likely 50-100 years after, as it was a doomsday cult, they didn’t see the point of writing things down all that much until enough time passed they started to have a longer view of when the end would be.
Most records of historical people from that era were written well after, Jesus’ records were actually comparatively recent.
Narratives surrounding Roman leaders, etc, outside of Roman accounts would be very minimal also. If Jesus of Nazareth really was God, it would be expected that the first-hand witnesses would of course be His followers and those that were close to Him. We do have enough from external accounts to know that He was crucified, and those that knew Him said He did miracles, they witnessed it, and that He was worshipped as God and it was widely claimed that He rose from the dead, and His body was never found. And the same people who said they witnessed it wouldn’t recant it either, on pain of death. The movement exploded a bit initially, and this would have been with first hand witnesses still alive that people could talk to, and quite a large number of them at that.
Sure, there’s not really a specific smoking gun, but it’s actually quite a lot more plausible than you realise.
Ahh I didn’t know the naming conventions, rabbinic new. Thanks for the knowledge, I’ll be reading the wiki on that for future reference.
I believe a person named Jesus existed, or dont care to deny it at the very least. I just wanted to be inclusive of different view points around the very existence of the person we call Jesus so thanks for supporting me in that, as I don’t always speak good
Ah yeah that makes sense, fair
It’s usually a hard-core larp. Evangelicals who aren’t Jewish level larp
I heard this was a case. The original intention of the movement was for evangelism towards rabbinic jews, but ended up not being the case.
I think part of it as well is that Evangelicals seem to be adverse to historic Christian tradition because it’s “too Catholic” but want something historical and esoteric to cling to, so they just find their own things. Which is sad, because the reformers often held on to tradition (Especially Martin Luther)