I don’t think that Te Reo shouldn’t be something that is taught, probably some Te Reo needs to be in the sight words that they learn right at the start.
I was just relaying that not everyone learns the same way and can deal with challenges the same way, I think in a couple of years of doing the basics he will be able to deal with it just fine.
Nobody is claiming everybody learns the same way. What we are saying is that our educational system should be structured to help the vast majority of the students and not crippled in a way to help the extremely small minority.
Like it or not your child will be exposed to Maori words and names. Hell if your town name isn’t a Maori word there are streets and neighbourhoods that are.
This racist government and this racist MP want to erase Maori identity and want to shelter children from Maori words because they see Maoridom as a form of evil to be avoided or destroyed.
She said her child has a learning disability. should we really take away textbooks and readers from all students which her child is unable to understand?
Do you think that’s a smart thing to do? Do you think that’s a moral thing to do?
I didn’t suggest we should take away textbooks. I didn’t suggest I think it’s a smart thing to do. I didn’t suggest I think it’s a moral thing to do.
I think it’s rude to call somebody’s child the “lowest common denominator” after being told that they have learning disabilities. That’s what I said to you.
Sorry if the truth is triggering. There are children who suffer from all kinds of disabilities. Some suffer from dyslexia, some have vision problems, some have hearing problems, some suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome, some have ADD etc. We should never ever strip words from books or slow down the education of every other child in order to accomodate these students. They can be offered other programs to help them catch up.
And yes like it or not those students are the lowest common denominator. That’s just reality. Reality shouldn’t be rude to state.
I didn’t ask for that anywhere. I just wanted to post our experience that illustrates that there were other possibilities for them changing the curriculum than than that the minister is a raging racist ( even if they are ).
What did I say which indicated to you that I objected to your child participating in the Kapa Haka or that I am against inclusion?
It seems like you also need to be educated since you seem to lash out like a child and attack people for things they never said. It’s not fitting for an adult to throw a tantrum like this.
I do not want the education system to eliminate all words your child has problems with from books and other educational materials. Our educational system should not be aimed at the lowest common denominator student.
If anything I think you are kind of sick for insisting that no student be exposed to words which your child can’t deal with.
I don’t think there are that many piece of shit humans in this world, I can’t recall ever seeing one on the NZ lemmy instance including you. I think the only thing I have said is that you could be a bit more inclusive, it’s not that bigger deal, most people aren’t.
What they said was they were glad the people involved on the kapa haka group were more inclusive than you.
You then flew off the handle at the minor slight. They then joined you afterwards.
You were doing great with the argument that the curriculum shouldn’t be shaped by outliers. Simple, factual and not attacking the person - just debating the point constructively.
This appears to be a reading and comprehension issue (possibly complex dyslexia if there’s an autism diagnosis that early on in the kids life?), you perhaps could have stuck with that? I dunno, you do your thing. I’m just pointing out how needlessly rude you were.
Firstly, I did not say that you objected to my child participating in Kapa Haka.
Secondly, you are the one attacking me for things I did not say.
Thirdly, who is having a tantrum here? I thought the NZ lemmy instance here was pretty chill and I am just sharing our experience with education in this area. It’s taking up a big chunk of our lives right now and my partner and I have had to learn alot more and put in a ton more work than the average parent to get our child achieving basic levels of reading and maths.
Fourth, I do not want the education system to eliminate all the words my kid has trouble with either, and I did not say that.
Fifth, inferring my child is the low point in a lowest common denominator is absolutely awful and you should be ashamed. This is where my comment about inclusiveness came from.
Modern education is so much better about scaling things to fit a wide range of capabilities without excluding the corner case kids than it was when I was growing up.
Sixth, again I never said I wanted any words pulled from the curriculum.
If I understand the news story correctly, the book is still in the curriculum, they just arent using it as an early reader, so it wont be issued to be read at home in the first year or two as home work. It will be after that point, this seems alright to me.
I like Te Reo diction and pronunciation being taught at primary school level. I didn’t get exposed to it until about fifth form in college.
You said you were against this action and then say you support it so like I said maybe you are the one that needs education.
Why should we ban these books from the classrooms? So far the only reason you gave was that your son who has a learning disability is unable to deal with them. You are in fact saying all books in classrooms should be aimed at children who have learning disabilities.
And again you lashed out at me and accused me of being a bigot who doesn’t want inclusion and diversity in schools for no reason.
Perhaps I didn’t explain why I could understand why they might do this well enough. The subject line of the post starts with “Racist” to explain what is going on. My initial reply was trying to chuck another data point in that there could be other reasons than racism.
As far as I can tell they aren’t banning anything. The books will all still be stocked and can be used in the classroom whenever. The only thing they are doing is pulling them from the early readers list.
I don’t know what your background is, you could be a teacher aide that works with kids on a regular basis and all of this stuff is your day to day grind, but I’ll try and explain it as I know from dealing with the reading system.
When they start teaching kids to learn to read, they make them learn a bunch of lists of ‘sight’ words that they can read without really needing to decode or understand them properly.
When they have built up enough individual words they start getting them to read sentences that chain together these sight words, they start out like “Girl looks at cat”.
Once they have built up enough of a vocabulary they introduce books called early readers that have multiple sentences and usually they will try and chuck a new word into each story. These build up over time as they move up through the levels.
In parallel with this the structured literacy approach is for them to start learning to read the words one letter at a time, read the individual sounds of each letter out and verbally ‘blend’ them into the sound of each word. After the first couple of years alot of kids should be able to do this well enough to figure out new words, english, Te Reo, perhaps other languages.
As far as I can recall, there is no Te Reo in any of the sight word lists. I suggested elsewhere that probably there should be.
The reason I was filled with dread every time “At the Marae” was in our book bag was that there was a disproportionate number of new words, compared with our usual one or two in a book where we could try ( and often fail ) to blend the words together or if my kid was frustrated or feeling lazy he might just guess what would fit in the context of the sentence.
This is something that applies to anyone who is struggling with reading, this is a good chunk of most classes, it’s not specific to any particular special needs group.
If there was a bunch of books that introduced Te Reo one or two words at a time and built it up like the magenta readers, it would be fine.
What they look to be choosing to do is to move the Te Reo until after the child can decode the words and blend them themselves. For most kids this is when they are in year 2 or so.
As far as I can tell, the books are still part of the curriculum, they are just pushing them slightly up until after the early readers are done with.
I don’t know who you think wants to exclude a whole culture, especially one that seems so vibrant and strong right now, sounds nutty to me.
I was just contrasting how well all the folks treat my boy at school in general, dealing with his little weirdnesses and idiosyncracies ( having to wear ear muffs for his auditory issues in Kapa Haka etc. ) with BallpeenHammers “Tough luck if you can’t keep up, we won’t cater to the lowest common denominator”.
It doesn’t have to be black and white, X wins or Y wins, alot of stuff can get handled well in a primary school education.
I don’t think that Te Reo shouldn’t be something that is taught, probably some Te Reo needs to be in the sight words that they learn right at the start.
I was just relaying that not everyone learns the same way and can deal with challenges the same way, I think in a couple of years of doing the basics he will be able to deal with it just fine.
Nobody is claiming everybody learns the same way. What we are saying is that our educational system should be structured to help the vast majority of the students and not crippled in a way to help the extremely small minority.
Like it or not your child will be exposed to Maori words and names. Hell if your town name isn’t a Maori word there are streets and neighbourhoods that are.
This racist government and this racist MP want to erase Maori identity and want to shelter children from Maori words because they see Maoridom as a form of evil to be avoided or destroyed.
My kid does Kapa Haka. He performed at Hutt Fest a couple of months ago. He learns the words by copying the folks around him rather than reading them.
His Te Reo vocabulary isn’t terrible, he just can’t read it well.
Cool. Once again I am opposed to shaping our educational system to the lowest common denominator of students.
Mate come on, it’s out of line to call somebody’s child the “lowest common denominator”.
She said her child has a learning disability. should we really take away textbooks and readers from all students which her child is unable to understand?
Do you think that’s a smart thing to do? Do you think that’s a moral thing to do?
I didn’t suggest we should take away textbooks. I didn’t suggest I think it’s a smart thing to do. I didn’t suggest I think it’s a moral thing to do.
I think it’s rude to call somebody’s child the “lowest common denominator” after being told that they have learning disabilities. That’s what I said to you.
Sorry if the truth is triggering. There are children who suffer from all kinds of disabilities. Some suffer from dyslexia, some have vision problems, some have hearing problems, some suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome, some have ADD etc. We should never ever strip words from books or slow down the education of every other child in order to accomodate these students. They can be offered other programs to help them catch up.
And yes like it or not those students are the lowest common denominator. That’s just reality. Reality shouldn’t be rude to state.
Holy crap, I’m glad the awesome folks that lead his Kapa Haka group are more inclusive than you are.
I mean, your son needs special help; the most obvious response would be to give him that help, not shape the education system around him.
I didn’t ask for that anywhere. I just wanted to post our experience that illustrates that there were other possibilities for them changing the curriculum than than that the minister is a raging racist ( even if they are ).
What did I say which indicated to you that I objected to your child participating in the Kapa Haka or that I am against inclusion?
It seems like you also need to be educated since you seem to lash out like a child and attack people for things they never said. It’s not fitting for an adult to throw a tantrum like this.
I do not want the education system to eliminate all words your child has problems with from books and other educational materials. Our educational system should not be aimed at the lowest common denominator student.
If anything I think you are kind of sick for insisting that no student be exposed to words which your child can’t deal with.
Wow, do you have to be so aggressive with your communication?
Because the OP accused me of being a piece of shit human being who is opposed to inclusion and diversity.
How should I have reacted to such an insult?
I don’t think there are that many piece of shit humans in this world, I can’t recall ever seeing one on the NZ lemmy instance including you. I think the only thing I have said is that you could be a bit more inclusive, it’s not that bigger deal, most people aren’t.
What they said was they were glad the people involved on the kapa haka group were more inclusive than you.
You then flew off the handle at the minor slight. They then joined you afterwards.
You were doing great with the argument that the curriculum shouldn’t be shaped by outliers. Simple, factual and not attacking the person - just debating the point constructively.
This appears to be a reading and comprehension issue (possibly complex dyslexia if there’s an autism diagnosis that early on in the kids life?), you perhaps could have stuck with that? I dunno, you do your thing. I’m just pointing out how needlessly rude you were.
Firstly, I did not say that you objected to my child participating in Kapa Haka.
Secondly, you are the one attacking me for things I did not say.
Thirdly, who is having a tantrum here? I thought the NZ lemmy instance here was pretty chill and I am just sharing our experience with education in this area. It’s taking up a big chunk of our lives right now and my partner and I have had to learn alot more and put in a ton more work than the average parent to get our child achieving basic levels of reading and maths.
Fourth, I do not want the education system to eliminate all the words my kid has trouble with either, and I did not say that.
Fifth, inferring my child is the low point in a lowest common denominator is absolutely awful and you should be ashamed. This is where my comment about inclusiveness came from.
Modern education is so much better about scaling things to fit a wide range of capabilities without excluding the corner case kids than it was when I was growing up.
Sixth, again I never said I wanted any words pulled from the curriculum.
If I understand the news story correctly, the book is still in the curriculum, they just arent using it as an early reader, so it wont be issued to be read at home in the first year or two as home work. It will be after that point, this seems alright to me.
I like Te Reo diction and pronunciation being taught at primary school level. I didn’t get exposed to it until about fifth form in college.
You said you were against this action and then say you support it so like I said maybe you are the one that needs education.
Why should we ban these books from the classrooms? So far the only reason you gave was that your son who has a learning disability is unable to deal with them. You are in fact saying all books in classrooms should be aimed at children who have learning disabilities.
And again you lashed out at me and accused me of being a bigot who doesn’t want inclusion and diversity in schools for no reason.
Get your claims straight.
Perhaps I didn’t explain why I could understand why they might do this well enough. The subject line of the post starts with “Racist” to explain what is going on. My initial reply was trying to chuck another data point in that there could be other reasons than racism.
As far as I can tell they aren’t banning anything. The books will all still be stocked and can be used in the classroom whenever. The only thing they are doing is pulling them from the early readers list.
I don’t know what your background is, you could be a teacher aide that works with kids on a regular basis and all of this stuff is your day to day grind, but I’ll try and explain it as I know from dealing with the reading system.
When they start teaching kids to learn to read, they make them learn a bunch of lists of ‘sight’ words that they can read without really needing to decode or understand them properly.
When they have built up enough individual words they start getting them to read sentences that chain together these sight words, they start out like “Girl looks at cat”.
Once they have built up enough of a vocabulary they introduce books called early readers that have multiple sentences and usually they will try and chuck a new word into each story. These build up over time as they move up through the levels.
In parallel with this the structured literacy approach is for them to start learning to read the words one letter at a time, read the individual sounds of each letter out and verbally ‘blend’ them into the sound of each word. After the first couple of years alot of kids should be able to do this well enough to figure out new words, english, Te Reo, perhaps other languages.
As far as I can recall, there is no Te Reo in any of the sight word lists. I suggested elsewhere that probably there should be.
The reason I was filled with dread every time “At the Marae” was in our book bag was that there was a disproportionate number of new words, compared with our usual one or two in a book where we could try ( and often fail ) to blend the words together or if my kid was frustrated or feeling lazy he might just guess what would fit in the context of the sentence.
This is something that applies to anyone who is struggling with reading, this is a good chunk of most classes, it’s not specific to any particular special needs group.
If there was a bunch of books that introduced Te Reo one or two words at a time and built it up like the magenta readers, it would be fine.
What they look to be choosing to do is to move the Te Reo until after the child can decode the words and blend them themselves. For most kids this is when they are in year 2 or so.
Seems to me you were trying to set them up so you could say got’em! with this comment, failed, and said it anyways.
The irony is you’re asking to EXCLUDE an entire culture because things are not inclusive enough for you.
As far as I can tell, the books are still part of the curriculum, they are just pushing them slightly up until after the early readers are done with.
I don’t know who you think wants to exclude a whole culture, especially one that seems so vibrant and strong right now, sounds nutty to me.
I was just contrasting how well all the folks treat my boy at school in general, dealing with his little weirdnesses and idiosyncracies ( having to wear ear muffs for his auditory issues in Kapa Haka etc. ) with BallpeenHammers “Tough luck if you can’t keep up, we won’t cater to the lowest common denominator”.
It doesn’t have to be black and white, X wins or Y wins, alot of stuff can get handled well in a primary school education.