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Starting a website is something that can be done in a lazy afternoon and costs pocket change.
Most of the internet’s problems could be solved if more people had their own personal platforms, so the objective of this site is to guide any normal person through the process of installing a website.
A VPS has an IP and electricity included in the renting price, which is pretty good for starting small tbh. You can do surprisingly much with a 2$/month VPS.
Besides the huge upfront cost, your own server would cost you in your own time maintaining it, electricity, replacing broken hardware and a subscription to the internet.
But generally I agree with you, the term landlord is completely unfitting for this setup.
On a related note:
Is there any way to not rent anything at all?
I have my own physical server, renting a domain is optional, but renting an IP is mandatory afaik, or are there some ways (legal ones, availabe to a normal person at a reasonable price) to get the server on the internet for free or by paying only once?
You can also just run something like Cloudflare-DDNS to automatically update your IP directly with cloudflare. If a domain registrar already manages your domain, there’s little reason to rely on a third-party service for DDNS.
By “renting an IP” I mean paying a monthly subscription so that your internet service provider gives your home (which has your server) an IP so it is accessible through the intetnet.
It doesn’t matter whether that IP is static or dynamic, as you said there are free dynamic dns services.
I believe you only need to pay for a static IP. A dynamic IP would be the default option included, and should just work with a dynamic DNS service AFAIK. With a static IP, a dynamic DNS service should not be necessary.
Of course you have to pay for internet service to get the included defaults necessary for it to work. Just like you get a bowl/container when ordering hot soup from a restaurant, and just like a phone number is usually included in the price of telephone service – except that a dynamic IP is somewhat analogous to sharing that phone number, or that bowl of soup, with other customers.
My point is that a static IP is often a paid add-on while the dynamic IP is the included default, since you wouldn’t be able to use the internet service without some sort of IP address anyway.
we ran out of IPv4 address space a long fucking time ago, you are infinity more likely to have a static IP address now because you’ll be behind a carrier grade NAT sharing it’s IP. you don’t really pay for a static IP anymore but the ability to directly address you’re own network.
At the beginning there was the metaphor of being a landlord. Depending on your location in the world, you can buy land, pay nothing monthly and own and use it for ever.
There is basically no way to do that with a server. But while yall were being obtuse about my point that one needs to “pay rent” for an internet connection. I actually found something interesting that might be a way:
SIMO Solis Lite Mobile WLAN Router - 100$ one time purchase price. And they claim:
Includes 1GB of free global data volume per month, for the lifetime of the device
Of course that only works as long as the company exists and is profitable or whatever they mean by “lifetime of the device” - they could literally build in a fuse that pops after 5 years.
Depending on your location in the world, you can buy land, pay nothing monthly and own and use it for ever.
what the fuck guys, why is anyone paying council rates or land tax when there is any free land left out there. I’ll run the network cables; let’s fuckin’ go.
Lichtenstein, Monaco, Cook Islands, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands.
If you want specifically “free land”:
Not a lot of people want to live there. You can go to the bumfuck north in russia and nobody will come check whether you’ve built a house in the woods or not. In general, extremely rural places with weak law enforcement will work, albeit being technically illegal.
There are tribal lands in africa (and probably other tribal areas in latin america) that will accept you and you can build your own hut in their village. There are a couple of historic records of people doing that, even in modern times.
yall were being obtuse about my point that one needs to “pay rent” for an internet connection
No, it was obviously clear to most of us the whole time that you can pay an ISP to get internet connection, and that that necessarily includes some kind of IP address since the service wouldn’t work without it. Once you have subscribed to a provider’s service, some offer a static IP as a paid add-on.
SIMO Solis Lite Mobile WLAN Router - 100$ one time purchase price. And they claim:
Includes 1GB of free global data volume per month, for the lifetime of the device
I’m not sure what you’re on about now. You’re still paying rent (though up-front instead of monthly or quarterly), and some IP address is still necessarily included within the price. How is that different to you, other than the fact that you don’t know when it expires?
I get what you are saying, but in the case of the internet, you need an IP address to connect rather than simply exist with a computer. Someone needs to know where to send the data.
There are however free connections: unsecured neighbors wifi, city wifi, hotels, and even busses/trams. Lots have limitations to hogging bandwidth though.
I guess you could go full mr robot and install a rpi in the wall where there is free wifi and hope maintenance never finds it. But that would be super illegal.
Many ISPs give you a publicly accessible IP address, and paying extra just reserves one IP instead of having it change periodically. If your ISP doesn’t do that (i.e. you’re stuck behind CGNAT like me), you’ll need to pay for one in some fashion.
You pay for internet service, and some do that by providing leases on publicly accessible IPs, and some do that by providing internal IPs and routing things themselves. Some block specific incoming ports (often anything other than 80 and 443), whereas others block nothing. Most services offer an extra “static IP” service that gives you a fixed publicly accessible IP.
Source: I had the former for years and now I’m stuck with the latter.
I know all that and none of it contradicts what I said.
You remember when you could get a “free” phone with a subscription to a telecommunication service? It’s kind of like that. The phone is not really free. It is marketing bs. The price (and profit) is payed by you through the subscription.
That’s what it seems like to me as well, and I just tried to be helpful and informative, not argue with them about how something that’s necessarily included by default is obviously contained in the price…
A VPS has an IP and electricity included in the renting price, which is pretty good for starting small tbh. You can do surprisingly much with a 2$/month VPS.
Besides the huge upfront cost, your own server would cost you in your own time maintaining it, electricity, replacing broken hardware and a subscription to the internet.
But generally I agree with you, the term landlord is completely unfitting for this setup.
On a related note:
Is there any way to not rent anything at all?
I have my own physical server, renting a domain is optional, but renting an IP is mandatory afaik, or are there some ways (legal ones, availabe to a normal person at a reasonable price) to get the server on the internet for free or by paying only once?
There are free dynamic DNS services so you don’t need to pay for a static ip. I like noip.com.
You can also just run something like Cloudflare-DDNS to automatically update your IP directly with cloudflare. If a domain registrar already manages your domain, there’s little reason to rely on a third-party service for DDNS.
By “renting an IP” I mean paying a monthly subscription so that your internet service provider gives your home (which has your server) an IP so it is accessible through the intetnet.
It doesn’t matter whether that IP is static or dynamic, as you said there are free dynamic dns services.
I believe you only need to pay for a static IP. A dynamic IP would be the default option included, and should just work with a dynamic DNS service AFAIK. With a static IP, a dynamic DNS service should not be necessary.
Included in what? In a 0$ per month plan or in a x$ (x > 0) per month plan? If the plan is paid, you pay for what is included.
Of course you have to pay for internet service to get the included defaults necessary for it to work. Just like you get a bowl/container when ordering hot soup from a restaurant, and just like a phone number is usually included in the price of telephone service – except that a dynamic IP is somewhat analogous to sharing that phone number, or that bowl of soup, with other customers.
My point is that a static IP is often a paid add-on while the dynamic IP is the included default, since you wouldn’t be able to use the internet service without some sort of IP address anyway.
we ran out of IPv4 address space a long fucking time ago, you are infinity more likely to have a static IP address now because you’ll be behind a carrier grade NAT sharing it’s IP. you don’t really pay for a static IP anymore but the ability to directly address you’re own network.
and that is my point.
At the beginning there was the metaphor of being a landlord. Depending on your location in the world, you can buy land, pay nothing monthly and own and use it for ever.
There is basically no way to do that with a server. But while yall were being obtuse about my point that one needs to “pay rent” for an internet connection. I actually found something interesting that might be a way:
SIMO Solis Lite Mobile WLAN Router - 100$ one time purchase price. And they claim:
Of course that only works as long as the company exists and is profitable or whatever they mean by “lifetime of the device” - they could literally build in a fuse that pops after 5 years.
what the fuck guys, why is anyone paying council rates or land tax when there is any free land left out there. I’ll run the network cables; let’s fuckin’ go.
Places without a property tax:
Lichtenstein, Monaco, Cook Islands, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands.
If you want specifically “free land”:
Not a lot of people want to live there. You can go to the bumfuck north in russia and nobody will come check whether you’ve built a house in the woods or not. In general, extremely rural places with weak law enforcement will work, albeit being technically illegal.
There are tribal lands in africa (and probably other tribal areas in latin america) that will accept you and you can build your own hut in their village. There are a couple of historic records of people doing that, even in modern times.
No, it was obviously clear to most of us the whole time that you can pay an ISP to get internet connection, and that that necessarily includes some kind of IP address since the service wouldn’t work without it. Once you have subscribed to a provider’s service, some offer a static IP as a paid add-on.
I’m not sure what you’re on about now. You’re still paying rent (though up-front instead of monthly or quarterly), and some IP address is still necessarily included within the price. How is that different to you, other than the fact that you don’t know when it expires?
thats like saying buying a house is paying a lifetime of rent upfront. It’s true in some sense, but a pretty weird thing to claim.
I get what you are saying, but in the case of the internet, you need an IP address to connect rather than simply exist with a computer. Someone needs to know where to send the data.
There are however free connections: unsecured neighbors wifi, city wifi, hotels, and even busses/trams. Lots have limitations to hogging bandwidth though.
I guess you could go full mr robot and install a rpi in the wall where there is free wifi and hope maintenance never finds it. But that would be super illegal.
Many ISPs give you a publicly accessible IP address, and paying extra just reserves one IP instead of having it change periodically. If your ISP doesn’t do that (i.e. you’re stuck behind CGNAT like me), you’ll need to pay for one in some fashion.
I’ve never heard of an ISP that gives IPs for 0$. You get one through a subscribtion, so it is a rent, included with the rest of the service.
You pay for internet service, and some do that by providing leases on publicly accessible IPs, and some do that by providing internal IPs and routing things themselves. Some block specific incoming ports (often anything other than 80 and 443), whereas others block nothing. Most services offer an extra “static IP” service that gives you a fixed publicly accessible IP.
Source: I had the former for years and now I’m stuck with the latter.
I know all that and none of it contradicts what I said.
You remember when you could get a “free” phone with a subscription to a telecommunication service? It’s kind of like that. The phone is not really free. It is marketing bs. The price (and profit) is payed by you through the subscription.
Are you claiming that paying for internet service is “paying for an IP”? If so, that’s a really pedantic point.
That’s what it seems like to me as well, and I just tried to be helpful and informative, not argue with them about how something that’s necessarily included by default is obviously contained in the price…
Yes and yes