• crapwittyname@feddit.uk
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    16 days ago

    I’m failing to see how the phrase “from the river to the sea”, alone, can be considered a call to destroy Israel, let alone unequivocally genocidal. It seems like there’s a lot of top-down reasoning required to arrive at that conclusion. I don’t think there is genocidal intent on the deployment of those words on that woman’s top. I think you assume too much. Israeli leaders, on the other hand, use unmistakably genocidal language. And then they also commit genocide. You don’t get to both sides this issue with a very tenuous argument that this popular slogan is a call to genocide.

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      16 days ago

      This is like saying “I don’t see how the phrase “white power” alone can be considered a call to kill black people?” 🤣

      It is a call to destroy/eliminate Israel. Don’t try to pretend it’s not.

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        16 days ago

        No, it isn’t like that. Because “white power” is used exclusively by extremists, whereby “from the river to the sea” is not. Do you see the difference there?

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          14 days ago

          whereby “from the river to the sea” is not.

          It is though. They might not think they’re extremists, but they are.

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            14 days ago

            People who are demanding an end to apartheid are extremists, you say. So apartheid, genocide, ethnonationalism, mowing the lawn, etc etc, are the norm, then? You’re raving mad.

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                11 days ago

                I’m not sure if you’re aware of how language works, but I am. And I can assure you, your statement is not true, particularly the part you have italicised. This is not as simple as you think it is or would like it to be.
                I hope one day you realise how mistaken you are.

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      14 days ago

      The phrase was created with the explicit intent to destroy Israel. We can equivocate about the intent to destroy Israel as being genocidal, but as I explain, Palestinian activists consider it genocidal intent when Israeli politicians talk of destroying Palestine, so I use their own standard. It may be that people who use this phrase do not intend destruction of Israel, but they are using a phrase which was created explicitly to call for the destruction of Israel. I don’t accept that there is any good faith way to claim the term has been “reclaimed.” If I say “heil Hitler,” and follow it up with “but no genocide or any of the bad stuff Hitler did,” it doesn’t erase the first part of my sentence. In fact, the second part is antithetical to the first.

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        14 days ago

        And the phrase “bless you” was created with the intent to banish demons out of your nose, but we still say it when you sneeze.

        “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, is what they chant. Calling that genocidal is Orwellian mate. Get a grip.

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          12 days ago

          And the phrase “bless you” was created with the intent to banish demons out of your nose, but we still say it when you sneeze.

          Bad example. The intent was good and it remains good.

          “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, is what they chant. Calling that genocidal is Orwellian, mate. Get a grip.

          Many do not. Many drop the second part entirely. For example, the t-shirt on the girl in this very video that we are discussing. Either way, adding a nice phrase to the end of a genocidal phrase doesn’t make the genocide part less bad.

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            12 days ago

            Accusation reversal. “The genocidees would be genociders if the role were reversed” aka “they deserved it”.

            How does it feel being a genocide apologist?

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              12 days ago

              I don’t know. How does it feel to be a genocide apologist? Rape and murder is always bad, and I think your defense of atrocities because they’re committed by your “side” is abhorrent.

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                12 days ago

                Like those babies who got raped on the 7th of october, according to the genociders?

                Piece of shit. You really believe everything your little massmurdering nation is telling you dont ya?

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            11 days ago

            It’s not a bad example, and I credit you with the intelligence to understand the principle the example is driving at, which you are choosing to ignore, that is: meanings change.
            Do you really believe that girl made that t-shirt with genocidal intent? Do you think she wants Israelis wiped out?

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        12 days ago

        Yea Israel is genociding the palestinians, not the other way around. Quit being a negationist