Is it not possible to have a more nuanced opinion than to either “love” or “hate” AI?
I don’t do either. AI is technological progress that has the potential to be useful to humanity, there is no point in attempting to stop technological progress. I don’t think AI can or will or should replace most jobs, though maybe it can replace some human labor, which (if true) is a good thing, a lot of technological progress before AI replaced some human labor and that was a good thing in retrospect!
But there are some genuinely horrible things that AI is actually being used for. Why would anyone ever think that customer support is a good use for AI, for example?
I’m in favor of AI being developed further as long as there is economic interest in it; I am not in favor of governments doing anything to either support or hinder its further development. Of course I think AI, like all software, should be free and open source, but somehow that is hardly ever discussed.
Going by the votes, it seems the answer to your original question is no, no nuanced discussion around these parts, and apparently fuck you for wanting that. Lol, yeah, I just avoid mentioning the things I find it useful for, no one cares, and they’ll think you’re just as bad as billionaires flying around in private jets, while they use their smart phones and Nike’s like hypocrites.
Just don’t touch AI discussion with a 10ft pole.
Not on this platform. For being this open, federated and free of censorship, there’s a whole load of shit you aren’t allowed to discuss here.
AI has become the face of end stage capitalism. The death of consent and the blatant display of business interests over community and society
Do you understand how much water and energy is used in data centers that are required to run AI? It’s absolutely asinine to support them at this unsustainable rate that they’re being built.
If it wasn’t obvious after Enron and cryptocurrency the market doesn’t care about sensible use of resources. Line go up!
Also window rattlingly loud infrasound giving children seizures
Hard to miss the articles about that. I realize that and don’t think it’s an actively good thing, but ultimately this is a matter of market forces. I don’t find that an especially good argument, they’re buying water and energy like all other participants on the market.
“Market forces” gave us:
- chattel slavery
- runaway climate change
- water scarcity
- widespread poverty
- Superfund sites
Like, cmon. Who still believes that markets are self-regulating?
I dunno if he will change it’s mind but it is a good argument
I dunno, it seems in a lot of places, regular people in the communities where the data centers are being built are footing a significant part of the water and energy bills even though they consume way less.
They’re draining all the water out of communities where people live. Because they bribed politicians to allow them to do so.
I suppose as long as they pay their bills, they can do anything they want. Let’s not care about how it affects the general population or the planet.
It’s not even really market forces, because they’re using investor money to push AI for free or way below what it costs. We have a ton more AI than market demand for it.
The real reason it’s not the best argument is the exaggerated relative scale of those issues and plausible fixes. Water use in particular is orders of magnitude lower than other industry, only a serious issue if building it in a really bad location. The electricity use is enough to raise prices for people nearby which could be a good reason to oppose local government allowing them to be built, but they can get around that by expanding grid capacity themselves to make up for it, and even better if they did it with renewables.
It’s a good argument for holding datacenter builders accountable for doing it responsibly, but a flawed one for unconditionally opposing AI.
Glances at Palantir’s complete and total access to all communications, civilian and military
…customer service is the example of bad???
That doesn’t have a lot to do with AI as far as I can tell?
Palantir makes heavy use of AI.
That’s probably true. Maybe “horrible” wasn’t the right adjective, I was thinking more of things that AI is completely unsuitable for. I don’t know whether that’s true for the things Palantir does. I am absolutely certain it is for customer support!
No, its not just for customer support. You can go read about it yourself. They also use it for surveillance networks and military weapons analytics.
“The public” as a faceless mass, doesn’t really have any notions of shades of grey. Everything is either loved or hated and no in between is considered, because at the end of the day, it’s sensationalism headlines and not much else.
As for the points you’ve made, AI needs? Needed? to stay in its lane, but a lot of people and governments got grifted into dumping millions into it, and it’s mostly useless for any sort of practical applications, so now that garbage is in everything, being peddled as the one all fix all, when at its current best it’s not even a reliable text processor.
If they want to develop it, I don’t have a problem with that, but everything needs to be rolled back like 2 years back, before all this bullshit started and continue from there. Too much shit has been compromised and compromised on since then.
Weirdly enough, I think the title kinda got it right in that people hate the AI industry but the article then generalizes it, claiming people hate the tech itself. Some people definitely do but pretty much everyone has a critical view on the industry and the tech giants behind it.
People hate the “how” more than the “what”, so to speak.
I dislike the “business world” in general. Nothing special about AI.
I respect the effort in constructing a more nuanced take. I just think that most of your points are ignorant.
The idea that automation is intrinsically beneficial to humanity is extremely dubious.
And, to borrow a quote, I am not able to rightfully apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke the statement “I’m in favor of AI being developed as long as there is economic interest in it”.
I’m in favor of AI being developed further as long as there is economic interest in it
Yeah fuck the planet, children, women, students, teachers, artists, and the myriad of other people currently actively harmed by AI, won’t someone think of the economy?
I agree with you, but at the same time, AI kinda amplify every bad aspect of our society. It show how much employers want to get rid of their employees to the point of willing to replace them with an experimental technology. It exacerbate climate change with resource hungry data centers. It accelerate enshitification. It show how messed up the whole investment thing is (AI companies investing into each other). Government want to use it to increase their surveillance of us. It make armies salivate at the idea of having an army of relentless robot.
Like you, I’m not necessarily against it, I don’t think it’s possible to stop progress and that is definetly a part of it. Still, I can’t wait for the bubble to pop so that AI go back to being a thing instead of the thing.
I don’t think so. Shitler pushed the autobahn, but there isn’t a nuanced take there - its so much more terrible overall.
When something is 98% terrible but has some costly uses (environment, consolidation of power through info gathering, literal genocide, etc.) the nuance seems like a straw grasp or a lack of info.
