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Guys… Youre trying to apply physics/logic to a supposedly all power deity. Just say the world was just created as is last Thursday or something in its current state. Like if your going to make shit up you don’t have to make it so complicated. It’s all BS anyway…
This is why I’m agnostic - it’s basically impossible to either confirm or deny the existence of a higher power, but I don’t believe in any particular gods or anything
It’s the same logic as God burying dinosaur bones 6000 years ago to test our faith.
One of my shining moments as an atheist was leading a coworker to realize that the above reasoning was bullshit.
She was already part way there just by asking me about it, I just answered her questions until she arrived at the right conclusion.
That claim always pissed me off. Like, what kind of god would actively attempt to trick people and be worth worshipping.
The story of Job is a great showcase of God being a cunt.
“He devil, you want to see how much I can ruin this guy’s life before he hates me?”
i think i became a little stupider after reading that
Imagine all the cosmic background radiation and starlight of 4 billion years, as measured in the outer universe, landing on Earth in a time-dilated period of only 7 days. Earth would be cooked. By my calculation, the surface of the Earth would get up to 1900 Kelvin.
There should be a list somewhere of so-called scientists who, in their personal lives, believe in extraordinary things with zero evidence.
They should not be allowed to call themselves scientists anymore
When you’re trying to look at science but the delusion won’t get out of the way.
It’s obviously a race condition in the simulation software. The stars database is loaded before the c constant.
This will be patched in a future update, however current simulation will need a data wipe for the updated behaviour to show.
Have there ever been any stars or planets, that we see in the night sky, just disappear? I always wondered if that has happened during the last 4,000 years or so of celestial observation. When I was a kid I was told that some stars are so far away that they were dead but the light we are receiving from them is still continuing to arrive as starlight. Have we seen that dead star light wink out? I know the universe is very old and the last 4,000 years was just a blink of an eye, but I’m curious if anyone knows if this has happened.
Chinese were very diligent skywatchers and catalogued much history, there was record of a “guest star” supernova being witnessed before the star blinked out of existence. And recently astronomers observed a star in Andromeda collapse into a black hole.
That’s what supernova are.
Other stars like our own will eventually, in about 5 billion years, become a red giant and then a white dwarf, but will take hundreds of billions of years to cool to the point where they no longer emit light, so none of them have had enough time for that to happen yet.
Analysis of the light from SN1987A suggests this has not happened. By observing light traversing two paths to reach earth, we can work out how far away the supernova is without relying on a particular value of c, and then work out what c must be out there.
This still makes some assumptions on the speed of light, but it would have to vary in a very specific way to give this same effect.
I mean that or just pre-calculate it and place the light at the same time you place the stars
But precalculating is just waste of resources when you are building a pure procedural universe.
I doubt that’s really a consideration when you are literally God
Well, obviously he isn’t a literal god since he made mistakes and retcons and had to rest afterwards.
So it’s always been a programmer joke from the “beginning”?"
Eh, this god is lazy. They even had to rest a whole day.
Procedural, law based world generation is the trademark of a lazy and experienced god.
Story with that premise:
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/50558/the-great-erectus-and-faun
And they had to reset the simulation at least once because of all the bad behaviors.
Or I un-…
That’s crazy talk. Obviously the light from distant stars was created in transit to fool heathen astronomers, just like the fossils of prehistoric creatures were implanted on Earth, to fool paleontologists.
No no no, fossils come from the great flood, from the Bible. At least, that’s what creationists use as an argument in debates…
As for star light: yes, that’s right.
Which I guess means carbon dating isn’t real. Which I guess means our entire understanding of chemistry is wrong. Only possible explanation.
Ah, good to know, thank you
Is there even anything in Genesis to suggest that the ‘days’ were 24h long? I could see it being meant metaphorically…
“No, that wasn’t a metaphor! The Bible is literal truth!”
“What about ‘The land shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are strangers and sojourners with Me,’ or ‘But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind,’ or ‘Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy.’?”
“Those parts were metaphorical!”
That’s a more popular justification now, but there’s definitely no textual defense of it, they’re just reinterpreting around thr scientific consensus. How often do you expect a book to define the term “day” before moving on? It was almost certainly written and intended to be treated literally.
Or just a matter of perspective. If “God” was just a programmer who could explain the difference between how long we spent writing code, running the software, and the simulation actual perspective difference.
Ask the Dwarf Fortress.
Or Puscifer.
I grew up catholic and was sent to catholic school and this is what we were taught. That the creation story is metaphor, the catholic church believes God used the big bang and evolution to create the world and people, ect.
So I grew up around creationists. When I presented this idea, the only attempt at a justification I heard was something like “in the original Hebrew the word for a literal day was used, that’s how we know creation happened in literal 6 days”
Which baffled me enough to shut me up, so that guy probably thinks he convinced me.
Which baffled me enough to shut me up, so that guy probably thinks he convinced me.
This seems to happen to me more frequently these days. Sometimes a person will say something so absurd that it just stops me in my tracks and I’m sure they think it means they “won”
Well duh, if they meant metaphorical day, they should have used the hebrew word for metaphorical days.
/s
Wanna know a secret… God didn’t even write that part. God’s version has him at a kmart in Toledo, Iowa buying the entire universe on a Saturday in 1997, at which point he installed it, but it did take several days because it was football season, but it was less than a week no matter what anyone else says.
There is “old earth creationism” which works along those lines. But creationists are “literalists,” which actually means they believe a specific interpretation of the text taught to them by their pastor.
Really, you’d think that most anyone reading the texts would realize that Genesis 1 and 2 were mutually contradicting…
I was homeschooled for most of K-12, and all my peers were crazy fundies. I have so many stories.
I collect that kind of stuff for fun + have some exposure to Christian education communities.
Were you doing ACE? Those workbooks should be illegal.
Not ACE specifically. I actually hadn’t heard of ACE until you mentioned it.
Most of my peers did some combination of Abeka and Saxon curricula, with a smattering of whatever TF the annual “homeschool convention” had available to sell. And yes, the “science” curriculum always had at least one chapter on how stupid “mainstream scientists” are for believing the universe is more than 6,000 years old. (And some books were nothing but that stretched to the length of a text book.) And those chapters loved to quote Ken Ham and shit. My parents were in some ways less fundie than most of my peers, and they told me to skip that chapter. Lol.
I did ACE. The (barely) fat kid was named Pudge. WTF. Looking back on it now, the educational parts were actually pretty good in places but everything else on top of it was pretty bad
the educational parts were actually pretty good
It’s just workbooks that you do independently and grade yourself, right? All of that seems like it’s what we’d call low “depth of knowledge.” Multiple choice questions and just memorizing facts.
God might have allowed literally anything.
So convenient, isn’t it?
God has allowed a questionable amount, in fact.
In which case the distances astronomers have measured based on light travel time are insanely larger than thought and the problem of a big universe isn’t solved.
God damn they’ve been vomiting the same bullshit for at least 50 years and it’s just as dumb as it was from the get go.
