Three recent books press us to understand the humanity and lives of gender-expansive athletes.

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    12 hours ago

    I’ll say it again: make all sports mixed and divide by classes that actually make sense for each sport, like weight or height

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      That still doesn’t work. When I transitioned, I was a sub elite runner. My weight didn’t change, but my body fat and muscle mass ratio did, and I ended up slower. I also lost strength, and cardio capacity. None of which was reflected by my weight or height…

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      Fair Game also discusses how the science around human bodies is more complicated than the stories we tell about them. “Human physiology is complex, and sex, according to scientists, doctors, and researchers, is better thought of as a series of spectrums, a constellation, or a mosaic.” If we are going to spend so much time focusing on “assumed physical advantage for trans athletes,” they write, “We also need to look at the fact that there are arguably mental, emotional, physical, and psychological advantages to being cis that affect athletic performance.” In a transphobic world, “There is an ease to being cis that is hard to evaluate but could arguably be a competitive advantage, and it is an ease that cis folks often take for granted.” Roscher and Baeth want a fuller, truer picture of what counts as an advantage in sport.

      i think there should be more analysis about the advantages on either side

      sport is fucking bizarre with what you are allowed to do when training to avoid unfair advantage. that’s not going to disappear overnight

      i don’t dispute the other benefits mentioned in the article to trans athletes and LGBTQ+ people

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      the fairness argument is a bullshit excuse for bigotry and it always has been. it has been debunked in scientific studies, and trans women don’t even do that well. it’s not like we’re actually dominating any women’s sports. these facts have done nothing to convince transphobes they are wrong because they have only ever argued in bad faith. their position is bigotry and hate, so no argument based in logic will ever convince them.

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      I don’t think it would. Because I believe that in reality this would just mean a trans only league. While letting the sports that everyone else watches continue trans exclusion. Only further supporting exclusion for trans people from normalcy

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        I agree, but it is the same with the male/female categories. A “mixed” category would be the least controversial?

        All I’m afraid of is for it to become the “freestyle” swimming category, where everyone goes for the same thing.

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          There are many sports leagues where what is considered to be the mens league, is actually open to women, it’s just that no women have ever competed in those leagues.

          (If this is because of biological differences, or because of patriarchal systems (or both) is up for discussion, though I think patriarchal systems do play a massive role)

          In baseball for example there have been some women playing professionally for minor league teams, and some time ago for the first time in D1 college baseball.

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            In baseball for example there have been some women playing professionally for minor league teams, and some time ago for the first time in D1 college baseball

            My brain tells me every decade or so someone new does it again

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      “would it not be easier to create an “all races” Olympic equivalent than convincing sports fans to allow colored people to join?”