This post contains content related to media piracy. I couldn’t find any rules for this community and I don’t know if it’s allowed. I accept the risk of getting this post taken down or being banned without knowing the rules.
With that small disclaimer out of the way, let’s tackle my question.
I’m a simple self hoster: I have single server made out of an Optiplex 3060 Micro (i5 8500T, 32GB, 14TB of storage in one drive), I use duckdns instead of a real domain and I have no supporting infrastructure. I don’t really like watching things, I set up arr stack mainly because everyone says it’s the best thing to use a homelab for.
My family have strong opinions on piracy and I know for a fact they wouldn’t use my jellyfin, even if I tried to manipulate them, which btw is a really bad practice (if it’s as common as responses under posts about getting people to use your homelab suggest).
I also have hard time getting them to even allow me to run my homelab (I’m a teenager, I live with my parents), because it takes space and uses power (for context idle is around 8W).
As I said, I don’t watch things that often and even if I watch, I’m extremely monothematic, I watch basically only AOT and sometimes some random popular movie.
I understand that my situation is quite unique, but I find it hard to argue for Jellyfin+arrs when fmhy and countless reliable streaming sites exists.
I already made my mind, I’ll stop using those services today. I’m interested how others look at this “problem” tho.
Are you hosting arr stack/plex/jellyfin?
How much is it utilized (in watch hours/week for example, mine was less than 2/week)?
Have you considered not using it?
If you stopped using it and went back, what happened, why did you change your mind?
Fo me, most of this services don’t offer dubbed or good subtitled versions of what I want to watch.
im a simple user
I don’t really like watching things
then this shit aint for you. just because you can do something doesnt mean you have to want to do it.
im old and have been doing this for almost 30 years. long before jellyfin; my kids never suffered commercials, never had to worry about some streaming service going up or down. they never had to care whether some source had the show they wanted. even when away from home, they were streaming my shit.
my very large curated collection may be less random than some iptv streams, but sure as fuck is more reliable, dependable, quality controlled and well, i dont even need to have fucking internet access for my shit (my library) to work for me.
Is your next post going to be in a baking comm asking people if they have considered just buying a loaf at the grocery? Its an important life lesson to get early that its OK that other people have different tastes and priorities than you do.
That’s an unnecessarily rude response. Even in the baking community, it should be fine to ask what goes into their decision to bake bread, or why they choose to bake bread instead of spending their time baking other things instead. Even if he already made up his mind, it’s fine to be curious about the motivations others.
He didn’t tell you what you can or can’t do, or what you should or shouldn’t do. He didn’t jellyfin is bad or that self hosting in general is bad. He wasn’t rude.
You say it’s an important life lesson to get that it’s ok for other people to have different tastes and priorities, but it’s also healthy to ask people about those tastes and priorities.
its OK that other people have different tastes and priorities than you do
There is a great book on this called the ‘The Let Them Theory’ by Mel Robbins. Stop wasting energy on things you can’t control and stop comparing yourself to other people.
She stole that whole bit from someone else’s poem. Check it out.
That’s a shame. I was unaware of that. Still…a good read with some good advice.
Welcome to Lemmy!
Thanks!
Mostly because all of those streaming apps are an absolutely horrendous experience, and many of them aren’t supported on Linux.
They just show you the same shit over and over. They’re filled with ads, even if you pay, and cram a bunch of other subscriptions down your throat every time you open them.
You better use a certified device or you get 480p@16 bits per second.
Ohh and HDCP. When I opened Netflix on my pc 2/3 monitors went blank, back when I still used windows.
Yes that’s what I was getting at.
Streaming services exist, and i used to use them faithfully, here are some issues with streaming services:
- not all content is high definition. Some older sttuff is bad quality and better quality can be found elsewhere like bluerays
- if the subtitles suck then you are stuck with them. When selfhosting you can download better ones for those shows.
- licensing changes and a show you’re watching will be moved to another provider… or not at all. It’s just gone.
- for a family wanting to watch different shows at the same time, 1 service may not be enough. You may need 2 or 3 or even 5. That adds up $$.
- ad-free experience, quality of streams, number of simultaneous streams, etc are monetized under streaming services. This does not happen when you selfhost
- You are giving money to large companies that will use their wealth and power to screw you over.
Those are just some that come to mind.
shitty uis deserve a spot on this list too. i love britbox but the ui is just the worst.
netflix and its auto play previews is pretty awful too.
I’m talking about piracy streaming sites. I never even considered paying a subscribtion, thar’s why I don’t have a real domain
So piracy streaming sites are ok for you and your family, but pirated copies are not. Did I understand this right?
No, for my family no piracy is okay and for me all piracy is okay. They use their streaming services and I use my free streaming sites
Well, this is a question about your family’s and your stance on piracy, the self-hosting part is immaterial to your decision.
- Quality and subtitles would still be an issue.
- You potentially have slower speed compared to official streaming services and definitely slower than your self hosted content.
- You potentially run risk of losing access to the content if the site gets shut down.
- good luck explaining how a pirate streaming service url is totally legit whereas your plex/jellyfin app is not.
- some of those streaming services you still need to pay for, or seed content for other people so they’re not “free free” for good quality ones.
- if you’re buying a usb device loaded with access to one of those sites then that usb device may have malware and no im not just making that up, it has legit happened. There was another more recent story I’m failing to find.
Anyway, i think it’s a bad idea. It’s not for me. Good luck if that’s what you want to do. But for the love of your parents don’t use a modded streaming stick unless you want them to get targeted by fraud/ identity theft. No amount of free content is worth that risk.
nice try fbi
I just like actually owning all my stuff and don’t want to deal with sites randomly shutting down, moving, having an incomplete or miss-organized library, bad quality, etc. My own collection certainly isn’t prefect but if there is issues I can fix them, it’s all in one place (no different sites for movies, tv shows, anime, music, etc) and it tracks all my watch-history which most free sites don’t. I can one-click download stuff to my laptop or phone for offline-watching (guess you can do that with yt-dlp for most sites, but again more effort)
Are you hosting arr stack/plex/jellyfin?
Yup.
How much is it utilized (in watch hours/week for example, mine was less than 2/week)?
I get about 3 days of watch-time between my 10ish active users per week.
Have you considered not using it?
Nope, I’m so done with the free streaming site whack-a-mole, not going back.
So done with the paid services whack-a-mole and price hikes too.
I never had any issues with the entire site whack-a-mole thing. I just go to fmhy, select some of the starred services and watch.
Because you’re a child who can’t have been at this for more than a couple years. Most of the sites you use now probably won’t be there in 5 years.
And? The indexes are constantly updating, based on working sites. It might have benn different back in 2000s or 2010s, but now it’s pretty easy to find a new site when the old one closes
…which is the whack a mole you claim wasn’t an issue for you.
No one said it was hard. It’s annoying. And unnecessary with an arr setup.
Unless you are on a private tracker, the trackers go up and down and require changes every few years too.
@garbage_world To watch what I want.
I prefer to have a collection that’s mine that I will be able to use even if they lock down the internet someday.
We’re all fine with piracy because of enshittification and the spread of shows/films across too many services. Happily paid for Netflix when it was good but it slowly got worse and worse. If there was one fairly priced single (maybe max across 3) source(s), I’d switch back.
In terms of stream vs arr’s. Quality of video and sound matters to us but not for everything we watch. I actually use Stremio with Debrid for most items, especially my family choosing what to watch. When I want top quality I will use my arr stack. When stremio fails I’ll use my arr stack. For TV shows we watch regularly we use the arr stack, partly to remind us when they’re released. For TV shows we regularly re-watch I use the arr stack.
This is just silly, but I’ll chime in I guess.
I’m guessing you only ever deal with public trackers om the torrent sode of things.
Since I’m on private trackers (someone with usenet subs probably feel the same) the quality and moderation is far better than the streaming sites.
Also, I’m off the legit streaming sites like Netflix because I’m tired of them shoving things I do not care.
Setting it up the first time is a hassle but nowadays, I’ll just open up my Seer instance and that’s it. This inclide movies, shows, and anime. I don’t hoard.
I know it’s available cuz there will be a notification for it, most just a few hours after the broadcast at most.
I just open JF and watch it, idk what’s more convenient than that.
I don’t count since I do not care about stats. But my whole family use it. Shows/movie for my parents, k-drama/anime for me and sibling.
I couldn’t find any rules for this community and I don’t know if it’s allowed.
Its allowed up to the limits of the lemmy.world TOS, so no direct links, discussion is fine.
mainly because everyone says it’s the best thing to use a homelab for.
Great for self-hosting if its something you use. Not really a homelab thing, these two things are not necessarily the same either. My hosted services for the family are entirely segregated from my lab, which does a very different job.
How much is it utilized (in watch hours/week for example, mine was less than 2/week)?
Over the past 30 days… Up to 6 streams at a time, 15 days worth of streaming hours.
Great for self-hosting if its something you use. Not really a homelab thing, these two things are not necessarily the same either. My hosted services for the family are entirely segregated from my lab, which does a very different job.
My thoughts exactly. OP should look for something else to host on the homelab, there’s plenty out there.
Over the past 30 days… Up to 6
Nice, how many users?
Just family, but everyone has their own home. So my moms house, brothers house, sisters apt, BILs, F/MIL, etc.
Videos of dance recitals and such just went up too, so thats probably about 8 hours of watching this week alone.
My still-learning-to-read children are able to use it. They’d be unable to navigate a streaming site even if I trusted them to do so.
Now that it’s set up, the maintenance is negotiable. I can just browse my TV shows to see what new episode has aired.
I suppose some people like to collect stuff. You’re right that it’s easy to access mainstream stuff, but once you decide to watch some less known movie - especially an old one - you may struggle to find it. Even with somewhat popular movies there are things like extended/director’s cuts, remasters, re-releases, etc. So I get it.
With that said, I watch on average one movie per week, so android tv with a video player that can browse a samba share is more than enough for me.
This ^. I was able to find media that is not available to view on any streaming service that I saw as a kid and unedited. While I understand the need to tweak certain programs for modern audiences… ok no I don’t.
Sorry for going on a tangent, but what exactly are your family’s opinion on piracy? I understand that they do not agree with piracy, but why? I have never seen any common person saying no to free stuff like that.
Piracy is bad because it’s stealing, illegal (I live in Poland, a country with almost no practical restrictions whatsoever and I personally know my ISP, my parents are good friends with them) and “there can be some problems”.
Piracy isn’t stealing. Stealing deprives someone else of something. Piracy doesn’t deprive anyone else of access, it creates wider access. That’s copyright infringement, not stealing.
If there’s no restrictions, then how is it illegal? What problems can there be? The rest of this doesn’t make a ton of sense.
Unless you’re watching your shows on Netflix, or other commercial streaming services, then you’re committing piracy too. ‘Streaming’ a show is just downloading it and them immediately deleting it.
Piracy is downloading/making a copy of a piece of media that you’re not licensed to copy. It doesn’t become less illegal because you delete it.
If you’re against piracy then you should not be streaming content that you haven’t paid for.
If they use free streaming, tell them that’s also piracy. (It really is) 😅
But actually don’t. They don’t sound like they came to these conclusions through rational reasoning so they prolly won’t be convinced by rational argument. Keep it to yourself and coexist.
You can run a homelab as VM on your personal computer if you have one. Then there’s no “other” computer for them to suspect. 😂
