As a long-time LaTeX user, I can confirm that there’s quite a bit of overlap between that and masochism.
Curious, is anyone pronouncing them the same or does this only work in text?
I know how LaTeX is pronounced but I always read it the same as latex.
latex-project.org says “lah-tech” or “lay-tech”
I’ve only heard LaTeX pronounced like latex in media where someone uses it to show what a geek some character is. eg, I’ve been typsetting my homework assignments in latex since I was 9.
I’ve never encountered that kind of LaTeX in media.
I’ve not heard anyone pronounce them the same, but I don’t doubt they’re out there. Probably a decent overlap with the people who pronounce GIF like the peanut butter.
the people who pronounce GIF like the peanut butter.
I call it ‘Jif’ and will defend it to the death, for no other reason than I think it’s hilarious to have a very strong opinion on something so irrelevant. People get soo mad about it :D
I always like to point out that outside of the US, Jiff means drain cleaner, although maybe that’s just a commentary on the quality of the peanut butter. Although frankly it doesn’t make the acronym any less ridiculous.
The PB is spelled Jif, not Jiff.
The acronym isn’t ridiculous, it’s how the creator of the acronym pronounced it. People should be able to name their own babies.
People should be able to name their own babies.
Tell that to the SQL folks.
And yes, it’s “sequel”. And “gif” like “gift”.
Tell that to the SQL folks.
I did, they say they agree with me.
How do you pronounce Porsche? Do you say “Porsh” or “Por-shuh”?
What about Volkswagen? Is it Volks-wah-gen or Volks-vah-gun?
How about Hyundai? “Hun-Day” or “Hai-un-dai”?
If you look up the ‘correct’ way to pronounce them, I bet you will get a different answer to what you thought it was. Are the former pronunciations only correct in the U.S. but when you travel to Germany or South Korea they become incorrect?
Your argument is a descriptivist one, but how do you determine which is the ‘right’ pronunciation if both ways of pronouncing a thing are commonly used?
And yes, it’s “sequel”. And “gif” like “gift”.
Interesting, so what do you think of the people in this thread who say that LaTeX is pronounced “Lay-tech”? Would the ‘right’ way to say it change if enough people started pronouncing it ‘wrong’?
So is it, go dot, god oh, or gu doh
People should be able to name their own babies.
I disagree. I think persons should name themselves. But, I understand there are practicalities that require some name to be assigned by outsiders at least until the person can talk.
For things that aren’t conscious or are incapable of speech, I think we collectively assign a name. I’m fine giving higher weight to the name chosen by the “creator” or “discover”, but I’m not fine with giving them veto power / final cut.
Did you know Dr. Seuss name is actually pronounced more like Zoyce or Soice (rhymes with voice, not moose)? And he wanted people to pronounce it correctly?
I’m actually usually unconcerned by how people pronounce things, but I think taking a man’s own name away goes a bit far.
I did know that. I don’t recall pronouncing it incorrectly since learning that fact, but I don’t talk about those books or their author frequently.
You guys should try https://typst.app/
Love Typst, and I hope it takes off.
I’ve seen this floating around a few times but am too tired to invest energy into this specific hype train. What exactly makes it stand apart from latex or markdown (then pandoced into latex)? Genuine question. I think once you’ve found your way around Latex, the major pain IMHO is whenever you apply it for a new use case and need to find out which packages to load that are not outdated. Ah, and alt text for images. But AFAIR this is already mostly solved, just not shipped widely yet.
Pros of Latex I think are important to keep in mind:
- it works since ever and for probably the rest of all our careers
- there is an established community
- the codebase doesn’t change on a whim
Pros of typst:
- It makes you happy while using it because it just works
- Packages are available in typst universe and you don’t need to install 2000 Debian packages to be able to use it reasonably because most things are just available
- There are some super cool packages like that diagrams one, or that inline comments one.
- If you have an error, it tells you what the fucking problem is instead of printing 2000 lines of crap and saying overfull hbox 200 times
- There are many templates for all kinds of purposes
- Math mode is a bit different from latex but mich easier to remember since you often just write things out. Fractions are just done with /, more complicated things are just writing the name out. It’s actually rather intuitive.
- The documentation is much better than latex, especially for the base language.
- It’s fast as fuck. My bachelor Thesis builds in milliseconds. No need to build 3 times over with each being 5 seconds.
- Like overleaf? typst.app has that too. Local works just as well though. Language server for neovim or other editors exist too.
- It’s actually programmable with variables and loops and conditionals and functions and all that if you need it.
Probably some more, just wrote a little list after waking up out of my head
It’s blazing fast, too, when compared with LaTeX. And another WIP feature I’m particularly excited about: HTML export.
Thanks for the long list! I’m not “opposed” to typst, whatever that would mean, just a bit cautious picking up new workflows/investing into skills that may become irrelevant 2 years later. But it seems that for my use case the main advantage are more useful error messages (which does suck sometimes using latex). I also see a potential new use case, if I need to use/create a new template, which can take some time with latex. The other points are not really bothering me. I write my texts in vim and build the pdf later, once the text is finished. Latex is fast enough for that.
I write my stuff in neovim with latex. Works really well. There is a live preview plugin if you want that too.
I believe I can’t help you with this, because my motivations behind using it are different. I’ve only used latex for fun before, and now I use typst instead of regular word processor, whenever I need to create a PDF.
Funnily, just the other day I was reverse looking up what a symbol was in LaTeX, i.e. I had the \symbol text but not the symbol itself. So I look up whatever that symbol was in text, along with the word ‘latex.’ I think the search was ‘cup latex.’ Colour me surprised when I go to ‘images’, try and see if an image of it shows up. It was not LaTeX. Not with that capitalisation
I had a similar experience looking up the code for ⊥, I didn’t realize the world has given a very specific meaning to the words “latex bottom”
Tf even is that symbol? Looks like Box-drawing characters to me
*/ˈlɑːtɛk/ or /ˈleɪtɛk/, but not /ˈleɪtɛks/
Feel like it’s definite cop out after someone made fun of them in the 80s
I love gimp
The one is nearly sexual power play condemned by a huge portion of society, the other is wearing uncomfortable clothes
That nerd would surely pronounce his kink
/ˈleɪtɛk/. Also, nobody loves \LaTeX. Unrealistic. 3/10.Also, nobody loves \LaTeX.
Lies, LaTeX is great.
English is stupid, but how does “latex” get a “k” ending? I have heard people arguing for years that it’s supposed to be pronounced that way, but never any justification for why.
From another comment:
The ‘X’ at the end of \LaTeX is actually a uppercase chi, so it pronounced with a ‘k’ sound.
Among the lovely revival of arguing the One True Pronunciation, I personally see lay-tech as a portmanteau of “layout technology”. Meaning in German discourse, it’s
[], and in English[]. Simple to remember, easy to derive, and matching the Gospel.Except that it’s spelled “Latex” with all letters from the English alphabet and there is already an existing word with that spelling, therefore it is pronounced the same way as that word. You don’t pronounce “Laser” as “Lah Seer” even though the “A” comes from “Amplification” and the “E” from “Emission”. Once it became a word, it was pronounced using standard English pronunciation rules.
Latex, like the rubber stuff.
“Read the instructions”, he was told, so he read them. And then he did lead Sean to the lead pipe.
LaTeX sheen, fursuit blush
Please warn me of any sites with Latex so i can add them to my blocked list so i can only find LaTeX related stuff.
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Obviously, it’s the man doing science and the woman interested in clothes
