Framework announced the Framework 13 Pro including full Linux support right from the beginning.
Some quick information about the Device:
- will use Intel Core Ultra 300 (Panther-Lake)
- updated Battery Design with (up to) 20h Battery life
- custom designed Display Panel with Touch support (keeping the 3:2 aspect ratio)
- LPCAMM2 for upgradable/replacable RAM without compromising on Speed/Low Power of LPDDR5X
- milled Aluminium Unibody chassis
- Full Linux support right from the start (including Firmware update via LVFS, Fingerprint Reader, etc.)
- Haptic Touchpad
- and all the repairability features Framework is known for
You can watch their YouTube Video for a quick summary:
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnOpIQJnYWU
- Invidious: https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?__goaway_challenge=js-refresh&__goaway_id=5a21ef489cbc0e9e48ccded2c92f2b68&__goaway_referer=https%3A%2F%2Finv.nadeko.net%2F&v=GnOpIQJnYWU
I was looking for a new laptop to replace my old Lenovo Yoga 370 and initially disregarded the Framework 13 because of some downsides (low Battery Life, bad Camera, etc.) and was looking to go with one of the following devices:
- HP Elitebook X g1a
- the new Dell XPS 14
- Asus Expertbook PM5 G2
or also a MacBook pro. I am using Linux since more then 10 years and never touched MacOS at all. So I was not sure if MacOS would work for me. But this announcement made it easy: It will be a Framework 13 Pro with Intel X7 358H!
Did they say what the full chassis upgrade kit will cost? There is no price in their shop, only a selection for the keyboard language with a price beside it but I doubt that the full chassis kit only costs 200€.
this looks cool, but i have a note for those willing to stop using their working but more proprietary devices to get this instead.
while this is more repairable and upgradable than most currently popular laptops, you shouldn’t upgrade if you don’t need to. if your device works, and you can live with the missed performance and other features, don’t condemn it to the e-waste bin, where it will most likely not be efficiently disposed of nor recycled, and add to the at least 62 million tonnes of yearly e-waste that is also processed by socially vulnerable people (including children) in economically disadvantaged nations.
if you don’t have to waste it, don’t. reduce.
Reduce
Reuse
Recycle
And in that order
Ofc if you want to throw away your old laptop you should give it to me instead :3
Unironicaly though there should be a mass program where old PC parts and tech are donated from people who don’t want it to people who do (for example an old laptop that a retro collector might want or a broken laptop someone else might be willing to fix)
Yep, instead upgrade when you feel to and keep the old parts as replacement in case something break, repurpose it or give it to someone that will use it;
I’ve seen people using old framework parts for home servers too
Agreed. Don’t spend money you don’t have to just to fit in with losers on the internet.
They could put it on eBay. Win-win?
Or donate to NetBSD foundation. NetBSD tends to keep old hardware alive.
giving it to someone else is good too
Overpriced garbage for people that don’t know any better.
Care to elaborate?
You’ll understand when you’re older.
This is really cool, I hope they end up taking off. I wish there was something similar to this in the EU. I’d be very interested in a laptop I can upgrade over time.
I propose a little cultural exchange. I’m sure Framework and Fairphone could stand to do a little cross pollination.
They are sold in Europe, no need to wait!
I appreciate the heads up, but I’m trying to buy from EU if I can.
Europe doesn’t make RAM, or processors or WiFi chips. Why do you want a European dude assemble parts for you?
Because I would rather pay a European company over an American company where possible for similarly valued products. By supporting a company here, I am hopefully contributing to an expanding market here.
I am of the same opinion, but when it comes to laptops, I’d rather go for an american company that cares about repairability, sustainability, and genuinely good laptops than a EU company without those values. It’s not all black and white, and this is a clear case where paying a US company is one of the better choices.
That’s fair. As far as I’m aware, Tuxedo laptops have a good history with repairability, and I personally use my devices until they die and are no longer suitable for what I need them for, so I’m not all that worried about being horribly unsustainable with it. I’ve heard Tuxedo laptops are pretty high quality as well, so that kinda covers all my bases.
For me, there’s the added moral imperative of spending less money on US companies as well, though. It’s kind of a balancing act all around. I’m not judging you for picking what you pick, either, though. Just different strokes and all that.
Framework sells DIY kits so the European dude assembling the laptop could be himself!
That just means they assemble it, test that it works and disassemble to pack the DIY kit, lol
I remember framework posting that it takes more work to pack the DIY kits.
Huh interesting! I see playing on their website that an equivalent laptop is more expensive in the DIY version, it’s just that the starting price includes no RAM, storage, etc.
So the DIY is for people who want to bring their own parts, not for people who want to get all the parts then save money!
The DIY version also doesn’t include a Windows license unless you want it.
Ah then your comment makes sense. In Europe the closest we have are the Linux laptops from Tuxedo, which I’ve heard are pretty repairable, but not really upgradeable.
Tuxedo is actually who I’m probably going to end up going with. Repairability is a must, upgrading I’m okay with being a “nice to have” for now. My fingers are crossed for something during the next upgrade cycle, though!
Tuxedo (and most of “European” and/or “Linux” brands like Slimbook, XMG/Schenker etc.) are rebranded Tongfang or Clevo laptops though. They are neither designed nor made in Europe.
Right, but if I spend money at an EU business, it doesn’t go away and might expand to design or make their own computers, or it might move the needle by showing a stronger interest in EU companies that allows for a company that does design parts in the EU to take that space.
I hope so. I’m still rooting for them
Are framework products not available in the EU?? They’ve been making stuff for years I figured surely they would be
I’m sure they are, but I’m trying to support EU companies rather than US if I can avoid it.
If you buy Tuxedo you’re supporting Chinese companies mostly
Yeah, I’m aware Tuxedo isn’t manufacturing their own parts. I would rather whatever cut isn’t spent on manufacturing costs to go toward an EU company, though.
Are frameworks made in the US? Last I saw they are made in Taiwan.
In any case I’d rather fund China than the US lol are you kidding.
They cost an arm and a leg. We definitely need our own version of Framework home grown.
Pro 13 pre built with Intel
Germany: 2369 eur USA: 1499 usd
You can literally go to New York, eat a rye and pastrami, get your framework 13 pro, fly back and still be somewhat ahead
Add taxes and spedition costs to the USA one
US price is without taxes and the German price is with VAT already included. It’s still more but not as drastic.
True, without 20% VAT German price would be ~1974 eur (=~2319 usd)
It’s insane how much tech fleeces Europeans, but it’s also always been like this. We don’t get the insane discounts USians get either. Never seen a Thinkpad 50% off around these parts like they do over there.
They are sold in Europe, don’t worry.
there are a couple of third party motherboards compatible with framework already.
not there yet but it seems it’s slowly getting there.
Well, not as powerful as my m5 pro macbook, but incredibly compelling. Should macOS/apple piss me off sufficiently I’m glad to know I have a good option to move to although it seems I’d be missing out on hdr? It’s frustrating that the framework feels like such a me coded device and I love Linux but there’s stuff I use/like about macOS that I can’t quite replicate just yet. I hope framework really does takeoff, would love one of these as my work issued machine instead of shitty dell laptops someday.
If bribing a fascist president with a literal gold bar, refusing to comply with EU law and then complying maliciously years later, global tax dodging, and anti-competitive behavior isn’t enough to piss you off sufficiently, I’m not sure what will.
When the Motorola Graphene phones are available, I’m dumping my iPhone, which is my last Apple device.
That’s certainly a fair point and I’m certainly not happy about it but ultimately I need at least one machine around to run some various proprietary software. I’d rather it be macOS than windows. Also given current hardware pricing I didn’t have the capital to grab say this framework and setup all my own cloud stuff just yet. I do self host a lot of stuff on an older mini pc, and I do use Linux on my desktop but I’m not quiiite there yet. I also did try graphene for a couple weeks but ultimately can’t use it yet full time. I’m definitely keeping an eye on the project though
Man I was really hoping for a haptic touchpad compatible with the current input cover… At least they kept the Pro input cover compatible with the regular chassis, although it’s a very pricey upgrade.
I think you can just get the new Pro input cover, right? That’s essentially just the trackpad. The aluminum of the cover itself is probably a fairly negligible part of that cost.
Doesn’t change the fact that the new input cover is 200€, vs 100€ for the 2nd gen one and discounted 45€ for the 1st gen.
they still finance fascists btw
You could insinnuate that, with some bad will. But how is it with the big names in the market?
I’m out of the loop with this.
From the other reply I saw something about funding a guy who is behind omarchy. What has that guy done to be considered a fascist?
After some digging, is it the hyprland guy, and the drama surrounding it?
The entire premise is a cashgrab for morons that don’t know any better.
I guarantee you, most people with framework laptops have them collecting dust along with their raspberry pis.
EDIT: You can safely ignore most of what I wrote. Rails World is the DHH Rails conference (I am not a rails person) that they sponsor.
I can’t figure out if this is true or not.They did sponsor Omarchy, and they do still list on their linux support page that they seed hardware to Omarchy, but on their official list of sponsorships (included in the spoiler/hidden block so as not to spam/monopolize the thread) they do not list Omarchy.
So I don’t know what the current situation is, but it does appear they’re distancing themselves from it a bit. They last posted on Bluesky about Omarchy 8 months ago (about when the scandals happened).
Actually: in writing this I realized that Hyprland is also problematic, or maybe they’re not anymore, but they are listed in their sponsorships. So I don’t actually know what that means.
https://frame.work/ca/en/blog/framework-sponsorships
Full List of Sponsorships, Mar 25, 2026
Organization/Event Type Sponsorship amount Los Altos Hacks IX Monetary + product sponsorship $500 Daydream Hackathon Monetary sponsorship $500 Aeroespacial Association COSMOS at the Rey Juan Carlos University (URJC) Monetary sponsorship 3x units Open Hardware Summit hosted by Open Source Hardware Association Monetary sponsorship $500 DebConf Monetary sponsorship €2,000 NixCon Product sponsorship 1x unit KDE Akademy Monetary sponsorship €2,000 Labscon 2025 Product sponsorship 3x units SemiTO-V (University Team) Monetary sponsorship €500 RISC-V International Product sponsorship 2x units Nerdearla Monetary sponsorship €800 Linux Fest Northwest Monetary sponsorship + event booth $500 Open Source Summit North America and Open Source Summit Europe hosted by Linux Foundation Monetary sponsorship + event booth $20,000 COSCUP Monetary sponsorship + event booth $6,000 Texas Linux Fest - hosted by Texas Linux Festival (TXLF) Monetary sponsorship + event booth $2,500 Hackaday Supercon Monetary sponsorship + event booth $30,000 Rails World Monetary sponsorship + event booth €24,000 Hack Club Facilitated donation $87,000 Linux Foundation Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year Hyprland Monetary sponsorship €7,200/year LVFS Monetary sponsorship $10,000/year Arch Linux Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year Debian Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year CachyOS Monetary sponsorship $3,000/year Bazzite Monetary sponsorship $3,000/year NixOS Monetary sponsorship €2592/year FreeBSD Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year NetBSD Monetary sponsorship $2,500/year KDE Monetary sponsorship €10,000/year wether they still support omarchy or not is kinda irrelevant because rails world (which is in your list) is run by the same guy
Why might Framework want to sponsor Rails World? Everything else in that list makes sense to me, as they are software projects that can have a direct effect on a user’s experience witn Framework hardware. But Rails World is all about a web development framework, right? That is like, three degrees of separation from Framework hardware. Donating to Rails World sounds to me like just a roundabout way to keep donating to Omarchy without having to say “we are donating to Omarchy”.
Do the organizations run by that guy further fascist goals, or is the issue that they are led by a fascist?
On this site, they are one and the same. Judging from the website, though, it’s just a conference about Ruby on Rails.
You mean to say that people on this site are claiming that individuals with publicly stated agendas and goals might possibly use the fiscal and/or reputational benefits of the organisations they control to aid in the furthering of whatever goals/agendas they may have?
Point me in their direction, i shall have words…big ones…like wherewithal …or extrapolation…prestidigitation…etc.
Clearly these people are buttering their toast with a teaspoon, seems like an incredible leap to me and i bet they couldn’t even provide a single example of this happening in the modern day…illogical plebeians.
I did not know that, updated my comment accordingly.
I’m not in the rails community, so this was news to me.
Is there a better option for a modular laptop with good Linux support?
Yeah , Lenovo and I think Dell are both coming out with modular laptop. Or get a MNT especially if you’re in E.U. https://shop.mntre.com/
to my knowledge no one else really does the upgradeable main board and swappable i/o things… but for repairable and upgradeable linux laptops, I’ve heard good things about tuxedo, slimbook and system76, maybe you could find something good there
then of course there’s always the ol’ reliable Used Thinkpad, which could be better long-term because you’ll certainly find more second-hand pieces for those laptops than for the niche linux manufacturers
I was wondering about this. Do you have any resources for what they’ve been up to since their vile “big tent” statements?
the other person who replied to me has a list of organisations/projets framework finances. among those is rails world, which is run by the same guy that does omarchy
Why should I care about that?
Definitely going to get the full width touchpad for my F16, I dont think my wife needs to upgrade her F13 just yet tho
Also tempted by the occulink kit, especially since I could use my current 7700S with it
So, no weird firmware issues with Framework, like Tuxedo had?
Framework is getting first-party support for Ubuntu (and thus Ubuntu-derived distros) and will be “ubuntu certified” so probably not.
There are issues, but at least Framework releases firmware updates
The machine hasn’t shipped yet, and won’t until July. Framework has a page for downloads of their BIOS updates for their various generations of mainboards, and for Linux users all firmware can be updated by LVFS via fwupd as far as I’m aware.
I have my preorder in for the 13 pro, and I know full well there may be some firmware growing pains with the new chip architecture, but I think 6 generations in, they’ve proven themselves capable of addressing any issues that arise.
My 7040u is rock solid on Fedora. I’ve seen some pretty bad shit with the Ryzen AI series, but people tend to only post about issues.
Currently regretting an “upgrade” to the Ryzen AI series… although many of its most glaring issues (that weren’t issues on the 7040) appear to be fixed in Resolute Raccoon based on testing a daily release of it as a live boot.
Interesting, I thought that the Ryzens were better than Intel’s offerings?
What were the issues?
This made me feel better about not understanding the benefits of attic halo and buying 7040
It better not have a HiDPI display… It’s not “fully Linux compatible” if they ship it with a buggy, non-compatible HiDPI display.
“Full Linux support” should mean I don’t have blurry fonts, oddly shaped windows, stuck using only certain DEs, stuck using only certain apps.
Just put a lower resolution and good. No need to deal with buggy scaling implementations and lower battery life, for a difference you only see with your nose on the screen.
Then it could have been just a FullHD or 2k display as well? Yes.
Lol, just because you chose to use DEs that don’t support it well doesn’t mean every customer that wants high resolution has to suffer.
doesn’t mean every customer that wants high resolution has to suffer.
There’s no possible solution to this problem. Oh, no. If only someone could invent some way where customers that want to deal with bugs could buy a HiDPI display and customers who just want their software to work could chose a regular DPI display. Like, if 2 options were available or something crazy like that… Idk.
Also yeah, I’m on a super niche DE nobody has ever heard of: GNOME.
I’ve dealt with this first hand. It was so bad I returned my old Framework. Not doing that again. Anyway, looks like nothing has changed. Have fun dealing with scaling issues. ✌️
Not my issue that gnome sucks, I use KDE and hi DPI works for me
Yeah… try GNOME 50… the gnome dev team left their older versions behind and they have become hot garbage sadly.
All of the OSs that ship by default on Framework machines properly support HiDPI. I think it’s fair to expect that shipping with HiDPI is fine. Yes, or course, you can put your own OS on it, but I don’t complain to Dell when my preferred OS doesn’t support some piece of hardware properly.
What’s the issue with HiDPI ? I’m out of the loop.
KDE just merged a bunch of rendering improvements for HiDPI displays in their latest release.
I use it on a 2x scale display and it works perfectly fine.
HiDPI has been an issue on Linux for decades. If you’re new to Linux, I’d highly recommend you do not get a HiDPI display. You’re gonna have to apply workarounds to get your apps looking normal and for some apps you might just be stuck with blurry fonts.
If you’re new to Linux and want less problems, avoid HiDPI.
Just look at how big this thread got: https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-state-of-hidpi-on-linux/8301
In the announcement they say the resolution (2880x1920) was chosen to be used at 2x scaling for that reason.
I dont fully get that? Its not a multiple of 1920x1080, so thats unclear to me.
