US chicken companies pioneered restricting sleep to keep birds eating around the clock.
A new study (Li et al., 2026) recommends giving chickens just 2 hours of darkness nightly to maximize the time they spend eating. The study and photo are Chinese.
We know chickens have far better hapiness with 7–8 hours of darkness to sleep.
But they eat more when they are sleep restricted.
Now imagine rogue ai does the same for us
Rogue AI ? I want to do it right away for the people who run these hell on earth operations.
Nope. Technology usually democratize the power, so you have to use AI
Before capitalism, people used to only kill as many animals as were necessary to feed them, all while ensuring they don’t suffer needlessly and respecting their natural habitats.
Under capitalism, animals are just resources to be extracted and turned into products and profits. The conditions of this extraction may vary slightly, but ultimately this is never going to change under a system that fundamentally removes humans from nature, as well as focuses on accumulation of capital above all else.
Foie gras was developed like half a millenia ago… humans have always had the capacity for and willingness to be cruel for our own individual betterment. There was never any “before” time that we can go back to where there werent shitty people doing shitty things. We have been exploiting and exterminating animals for centuries and centuries, we just have the best tools to do it, that weve ever had now.
There was still some time where pre-industrial husbandry including breeding of animals was a thing and capitalism didn’t exist in the form we criticise it now.
Even humans are resources bro under capitalism.
I’ve always thought human resources was a creepy way to describe a group of people.
Shit like this is why I’m trying to plan my path to vegetarian and then to veganism. I hate that I know I’ll relapse if I don’t do it slowly.
If you want to really see horror, you can watch the film “Earthlings”.
2006, 2024 or 2025?
I am looking forward to the day that cloned meat is an thing. It would likely save on resources, be more sanitary, and would prevent the suffering of animals for our pleasure.
However much I enjoy my chicken tenders, I would like less awful to be involved for getting them onto my tastebuds.
If i had magic powers i would transform the people who make decisions like this into an animal under their own care
if I had magic powers, I would cast a spell that’d make everyone have the common sense to not lose their shit over a unverified picture and unsourced claim.
Animal cruelity in general has been proven enough times to justify transformation powers for me
Any random idiot would agree
No, not even a random idiot believes any random unverified claim… and they are even more suspicious of things that tickles their fancy and aligns with what they want to hear, because they are aware of how easy it is to slip into complacency and sacrifice their critical thinking for comfortable outrage.
Also, even a random idiot could do a cursory search to find
§ 205.241 Avian living conditions.
For layers and all other fully feathered birds, artificial light may be used to prolong the day length, to provide up to 16 hours of continuous light per 24-hour period (i.e., minimum of 8 hours of continuous darkness per 24-hour period). Artificial light intensity should be lowered gradually to encourage hens to move to perches or settle for the night. Artificial light spectrum may not be manipulated to increase feed intake and growth rate.
But that doesnt let us wallow in comfortable outrage, so of course we’re not gonna do that.
What the hell are they using to entice them to eat 24/7
Doomscrolling
fuck this a thousand times. hens deserve better.
If you’re not vegan, you support this. You support the torture of animals for 5 minutes of taste “pleasure.” A whole fucking life for 5 minutes of a meal.
Do you eat vegan meat replacement products? Did you know the world’s largest meat supplier (JBS) owns many of the companies that make them? So do Danone (dairy company), Müller (dairy company) and Nestlé (just vile in general).
I just have my own hens bro, they’re happy, they live good lives.
I’ve been a vegetarian for 27 years and you make me want to eat a hamburger. There’s some great advice in this thread about how to begin transitioning to veganism.
And then there’s you.
Some vegan asshole who wouldn’t let me go on my way (I had to wave at a police officer) told me being vegan is easy, you just have to eat carbs. I’m vegetarian, I live in an area where most people are obsessed with eating meat, but he insisted on having a go at me.
This is a stupid fucking take and an overgeneralization. I for example buy certified humane pasture raised eggs from my local co-op that are supplied from farms literally within an hour’s drive away.
What happens to hens when their production slows down? The eggs that are fertilised to replace the hens who die, what happens to the male chicks? Are these chickens frankenchickens who produce 1-2 eggs a day, or are they more natural chickens who will produce an egg once a month or so? because laying so many eggs is brutal on their bodies. Since you seem like you’re a woman with name like Jessica, imagine cycling everyday for your entire life. That’s what these frankenchooks have to deal with.
Not necessarily, you don’t have to be a vegan to not eat chicken or eggs. What about people who only eat seafood, although that is getting increasingly unsustainable with the amount people eat.
What about just eat the invasive things? Honestly would be tempted to if I could legally do it without a shitload of paperwork and licensing to worry about. Though you don’t need a license to catch fish in the sea here the only invasives I am aware of are freshwater or land animals which all require permission.
I’m not vegan and I don’t support this.
People support this with their wallets. It’s simple supply and demand.
I do not :)
Then you would either be vegan or a hunter.
Neither, I just don’t purchase from these companies. I couldn’t even if I wanted to, the described practice is illegal where I live.
If I want an “ethical” chicken, I can buy one. A five pound bird cost $40. Are you rich? lol Or you have your own farm.
If you purchase meat from these companies - you very much do.
If you don’t want to - there’s an extremely obvious solution available.
Ultimately all manner of meat consumption in industrial societies amounts to genocide and torture. All we’re doing is slightly negotiating the degree of suffering inflicted.
Veganism means we don’t give a space to farm animals anymore. We (humans) have modified them in such way they can’t survive in nature ; especially in the few nature we would let them. How can it have an other result than the genocide of all that species?
Industrial exploitation of animals count as torture and should be stoped for that, yes. But it is not a genocide: it makes sure the species remain alife. The genocide is vegan.
Welfarism seems to me the research of the best compromise: keep that species alife and in better conditions.
You would wind down reproduction over time like anything else. Chickens, ehem, non meat chickens, roost in trees. Im near certain chickens,would have predators yes, but theyd be alright.
to be vegan is to genocide the farm breeds is a wild take
I am sorry, I think I did not understand your argument nor on what it was based. Could you please reformulate it?
I do not purchase meat from those companies
An all or nothing stance is part of the problem though. If doing good is defined in a way that is difficult for people to achieve, they will feel like they can’t do good and give up before they started.
Anything we do to improve the lives of animals or remove some suffering does exactly that.
Going vegan is not difficult.
Going vegan is wrong. Going vegetalian may be right, but comes with extra needs.
Going vegan is wrong because it leeds you to choose clothes made out of petrol rather than wool, while wool would last longer and need less ressources on the long run. It leeds you to choose your food from fields using petrol engines to be farmed and reject those using animal traction.
Yes, there are not much field cultivated with animal traction. And this has caused a near extinction of the animals used for traction. Those saved are risen by humans, so non-vegan friendly. Going vegan is willing the extinction of all animals risen by human unless they can still handle themselves in nature.
Vegetalians may agree at measure to let animals survive thanks to human interactions, and could accept some domestication of animals. They may use wool, they may accept vegetables arrived to the market carried by a donkey (and prefer them for that reason to the ones bringed by a truck).
Yet, to be vegetalian, you need a good access to medicine, in order to check you remain healthy, and to correct the mistakes you may make. This access isn’t easy everywhere in the world.
vegetalianalian
Apparently this isn’t a diet where you only eat Italian food. I’m disappointed.
Weird mind gymnastics you’re doing here.
Going vegan is wrong because it leeds you to choose clothes made out of petrol rather than wool, while wool would last longer and need less ressources on the long run. It leeds you to choose your food from fields using petrol engines to be farmed and reject those using animal traction.
Cotton, manual labor and electric engines.
Yes, there are not much field cultivated with animal traction. And this has caused a near extinction of the animals used for traction. Those saved are risen by humans, so non-vegan friendly. Going vegan is willing the extinction of all animals risen by human unless they can still handle themselves in nature.
Then we should help animals thrive in the wild. Stop hunting, stop killing forests, stop taking their land, and all that stuff. You mentioned none of those.
Vegetalians may agree at measure to let animals survive thanks to human interactions, and could accept some domestication of animals. They may use wool, they may accept vegetables arrived to the market carried by a donkey (and prefer them for that reason to the ones bringed by a truck).
The current living cows, pigs and chickens are bred to extreme artificial amounts for your pleasure. This is not natural. If we stop breeding more animals and kill off the remaining alive ones, eventually it will balance itself out again. We are not helping them by breeding them and killing them. That’s a selfish fallace so you can sleep at night.
Yet, to be vegetalian, you need a good access to medicine, in order to check you remain healthy, and to correct the mistakes you may make. This access isn’t easy everywhere in the world.
You do not. I personally do a blood check every year just in case. Funnily enough I only had a tiny vitamin D deficiency because I worked inside a lot. Besides that I just eat what I want, vegan of course. I merely added legumes and beans to my diet, and changed some meat things in my dishes for more veggies. It’s really that easy. Super easy and you’ll actually be even more healthy because meat is not healthy.
Your fallace comes from claiming there are only two ways, the hard industrial process or the vegan way (which requires hard industry too).
There are other ways, efficient enough, if we step out of consumerism and capitalism. Yet, if we don’t step out of that, your plan to let natural places to wild animals is an unrealistic dream, so I guess we agree to step out of that (tell me if I am wrong).
Accepting manual labor question me a lot, since one of the base argument of veganism is that human is an ordinary animal and so have no right over other animals. But so, I don’t get how you finally accept productions of humans but not those of other animals. Even when the human workers have no choice but are exploited by a system torturing them.
In my view, it is not a question of right humans would have over other animals. We inherit of a situation. Our ancestors have forced many animals into an unfair contract where we protect them of other predators and take care of their needs, in exchange of their production and meat. It was unfair from start. We have built our civilizations thanks to that unfair contract. Now that we reached a technological level which allow us to do without them, we would just fire them and let them try to survive on their own in the lands we accept to let them?
Wouldn’t it be more moral to have more consideration for those we have forced to be our allies? The contract was already not fair, cancelling it just because it is not at our benefice enough anymore is not something I see as a superior morality.
I don’t understand your point. It makes no sense. What do you want exactly? You want to keep them in farms but not eat them? Or keep them in farms and still eat them? Your argument is incomprehensible. There is no such thing as overnight veganism. And as we move towards a vegan society, animal numbers will normalize and become natural again. That’s just a fact.
It is difficult to get adequate nutrition on a vegan diet.
It requires being able to read about nutrition and putting that knowledge into practice - which involves making meal plans that take into account the various mineral and vitamin requirements that we have in order to be healthy.
There are significant accessibility barriers when it comes to eating a healthy, vegan diet.
It is not an easy feat for the abled, and in addition there are factors such as socio-economic status and associated challenges that can make it less accessible for people.
I made a vegan meal the other weekend for an estimated $5. Enough to feed 8 or 9 servings.
Lentils, onion, carrot, flour, spices, oil. Vegan food is poverty food, and it can be very tasty. Socio-economic status associate challenges is … not an acceptable answer though.
I generally find it exasperating to discuss matters within this topic with Americans, as there is a lack of acknowledgement regarding class issues. I’m sorry for the generalization, but I just don’t have the energy.
Socio-economic and class issues are more than the price of ingredients. But you are right that buying ingredients to cook a plant-based meal can be low cost.
It is difficult to get adequate nutrition on a vegan diet.
It is not. Eat your legumes, beans and some nuts and look for B12 fortified foods. That’s it. Keep in mind that most people are unhealthy on non vegan diets, and that meat is fortified with B12 too because the animals don’t get it in nature. So it’s but a small change for an equal nutritious diet.
It requires being able to read about nutrition and putting that knowledge into practice - which involves making meal plans that take into account the various mineral and vitamin requirements that we have in order to be healthy.
Again, not really. Same counter argument as before.
There are significant accessibility barriers when it comes to eating a healthy, vegan diet.
This is true. Fast food becomes hard to find, so you’ll have to actually start cooking now and then, which is something a lot of unhealthy non-vegans are scared of. Besides that everything is already available in every first world country supermarket.
It is not an easy feat for the abled, and in addition there are factors such as socio-economic status and associated challenges that can make it less accessible for people.
It is an easy feat. But you are correct about your “status” in society. You’ll often get people trying to argument against being vegan. And those are all the same arguments you’ve heard thousands of times, all of which have long been disproven. They’ll tell you you are unhealthy and that it’s hard, but it’s easy and you’re more healthy than them. You get people coming up with arguments not because they believe them, but because they want to believe them, so it justifies their own non-animal-friendly diet. It can be hard, but only because other people make it hard like you do.
I don’t make it hard. I would love it, if it were easier, but unfortunately it isn’t.
It is difficult to get the adequate nutrients on a vegan diet. Research the required nutritional values for your age, gender and body type. Type the values into a nutritional application and track your food intake throughout a certain period, the longer the better. With no diet planning on a vegan diet, it is unlikely that you will get adequate nutrition.
It’s true that people who do not adhere to a vegan diet can be unhealthy. The difference is that their diet does not set them up to be unhealthy if they eat healthy ingredients and do not plan their food intake. If you are vegan, don’t plan your meals on the basis of nutritional knowledge, and only eat otherwise healthy ingredients, you are still at risk of becoming unhealthy because of malnutrition.
You come off as someone who is generally privileged and has no respect for the different barriers that people face.
You are wrong.
Instead of downvoting, I would love to hear your counter argument.
I didn’t downvote your reply. I suggest using some client or service that shows who downvoted you before making assumptions, like you do about being vegan.
I didn’t address you specifically, rather the people who downvoted.
My comment is based on science-based nutritional facts, not assumptions.
I am not coming for you. I am simply trying to have a discussion based on facts.
How fast do you shovel down your food? You should enjoy it some more … oh, right, I’d probably also would want it to be over quickly if I had to eat vegan.
That’s what you argue with? Clearly you have no argument against veganism. Is that why animal abusers season their animal flesh with…… plants?
Is that why animal abusers season their animal flesh with…… plants?
Hey, I don’t discriminate. I eat all the kingdoms of life!
That is nonsense and just plain dumb. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Modern day agriculture is reliant on livestock to keep our current levels of farming efficiency. Farming aimals is a requirement for modern agriculture.
We just eat to much meat, eating no meat at all will cause so much more problems than veganism would solve.
i don’t suppose meat that’s bigger but full of stress hormones from the torture of it can be chalked as that much of a win, meat industry.
all animal flesh humans eat is full of stress hormones. Animals don’t walk into a slaughterhouse of their own volition. It’s a horrendous place, and the animals know why they’re there.
The vegans are right.
Always were.
Why do you think the meat industry has to perpetually expend capital to drag their cause through the mud ?
And chick fil a wants to take the moral high ground with their cow saying eat more chicken
all of this will inevitably be replaced with lab grown meat anyways.
FYI caged hens are no longer common in large parts of the western world and even in the worst countries, like the US, the percentage of caged hens have dropped under 50%. For meat chickens it’s even better with practically zero in cages.
Talking about lightning the EU mandates 6 hours of darkness. Don’t know the US rules. I’m assuming it’s much worse there as it usually is.
Laws vary by state but iirc, California banned caging entirely, including imports. That said, cage free doesn’t mean quality of life.
I notice a huge difference with the more expensive eggs cause real free roaming hens eat lots of bugs and produce better eggs with deep orange yolks. Though, naturally scammers ruin that cause some orange hued eggs are dyed so buyer beware.
They’re not dyed they’re just fed beta carotene supplements. All organs yolks are from beta carotene supplements, deep yellow yolks are the natural color of a nutritionally healthy chicken
Please don’t fall into the ‘cage free is fine’ delusion, because putting so many chickens in a square meter that none of them have personal space is probably about as miserable for them as being in a cage. If anything it can be worse, since chickens can and will attack and eat injured chickens.
That doesn’t mean they get sunshine, fresh air, green grass.
This guy gives you a good glimpse into the realities of farming.
https://m.youtube.com/@blackbirdcoop
Including calling out the subset of bullshit “free range” farms.
Even for meat chickens not in cages, they’re bred to be so big and grow so fast they can hardly walk and many just die of heart attacks as they get too big.
Becoming a radicalized vegetarian over here
cows in dairy, and chickens in egg are abused horribly as well. Go vegan.
edit: Egg layers are often in cages, with 3-4 other birds. In a tiny cage. They have no solid ground to stand on, just bars. So their feet are often horribly deformed. When eggs are hatched, if they’re male, they’re killed at less than a few minutes old, because they are “useless” and will never lay eggs. the male chicks will be ground up alive in something called a macerator (think a blender). if they’re born female, they’ll often end up in the same cages as their mothers. They get their beaks chopped off because they will attack each other from all the suffering. Egg layers in the wild will lay 10-12 eggs a year. They’ve been selectively bred so much that they now lay 1-2 a DAY. That’s 300-400 a year! Imagine ovulating every fucking day, often multiple times a day. It’s torture on them. Egg layers can live for 5-10 years naturally, but because laying 300-400 eggs a year is so horrible on their bodies, they collapse and are then slaughtered (sometimes they just dump them in a hole, and cover it up. While they’re alive). Even in “free range”, there are so many chickens in the shed that their pecking order is severely fucked up. Chickens would normally live in a community of a few birds. In these sheds, they’re crammed in by the thousands. The ammonia from all the urea is so strong it burns their eyes and throat etc. It’s truly truly horrible. Activists have to go in to these sheds with breathing masks because the ammonia is so strong. Chickens are bred and fed so fast to have as much meat as possible as quickly as possible that a lot of chickens will break their legs and collapse or have heart attacks (or both). These chickens will then just lay on the ground and starve to death because they are unable to walk to food.
Also, like all mammals, cows need to be pregnant to give milk. They do not just naturally produce milk all year round (well, dairy cows do, because they’re constantly impregnated, so they give milk nearly all their lives). When the mama cow gives birth, her child will either be killed at a few hours old (if male), or be put into slavery like her mother if she’s a girl. They can live for upwards of 20 years when given the chance, but dairy cows will be slaughtered for low quality meat such as sausages and burgers at just 3-4 years old. Imagine being pregnant almost all your life. Shit is terribly hard on their bodies. When cows cannot do it anymore, they just collapse. These cows are called “downers”. They are dragged out by a truck/forklift by their legs. Then slaughtered.
Imagine your life being so worthless that you’re mistreated for all your life, only to then become a fucking burger or nugget. Holy shit.
It’s suffering all the way down.
#GoVegan
Mother cows will cry out for their babies who were taken from them, never to see them again. All because a bunch of assholes refuse to drink oat milk. Fucking awful.
Yup. The pine for weeks or even months sometimes for their children. They can hear them. They may even be able to see them, but they can’t get to them, because milk. Mammals are incredibly maternal. Imagine having baby after baby being taken from you minutes after birth, never to see them again. Again, suffering all the way down.
There is a mother cow on a sanctuary here in australia (clarabelle). She was rescued from the dairy industry when she was pregnant. She gave birth to her son (valentine, because he was born on valentine’s day). When he was a youngin, Clarabelle would hide him from the workers at the sanctuary, probably because she was afraid he’d be taken from her. She did this for months. Every time the workers would find Valentine, she’d move him. It was heartbreaking.
FYI, the farm is called Edgar’s Mission.
Remind me again how animals don’t have feelings and emotions, and are just unthinking automatons?
We’re all going to become vegetarian because meat is a luxury.
if you want to make an impact on the suffering of animals, veganism is it. vegetarians still support the dairy and egg industries, which may be the most cruel.
While i agree that veganism is superior both morally and environmentally to vegetarianism. Lets not forget that its an ideologically uphill battle when fighting the “muh bacon” crowd which are constantly egged on by the meat industry complex.
We should not be advocating for absolutes, even being able to convince someone to reduce their meat consumption from every day to once a week, solely on the basis that its just not healthy for you, is an absolutely massive win and should not be disregarded.
I see, I guess I need to look more into it. Every time I try I rage quit because it’s so infuriating.
You don’t need to know about the meat industry horrors or the health impacts of meat or benefits of less meat. Just make small changes like finding dairy alternatives you like, or a meatless recipe you like. From there you can continue to make as few or many additional changes as you like.
I really like this approach it’s less overwhelming.
Start with something. Being vegan is still hard to do in many places. Being vegetarian is thankfully much better than it was 30 years ago.
Back in the day I once traveled the entirety of a certain midwestern state where my food options were essentially coffee and salad. I mean, not really, but also kinda. It’s better now.
you can do it!!
I hope so, thank you
FYI, there are a fair number of vegan communities who are MORE than willing to help you go vegan. Reach out to them if you have any questions.
Fuck that an’ all. But how do we know “chickens have far better happiness with 7-8 hours of darkness to sleep”? How does one measure the happiness of a chicken?
Signs of stress, and behaviors that indicate a normative state.
Chickens, when calm and with their flock, make all kinds of sounds and exhibit behaviors like “cuddling”, and even the rare mutual preening. While it’s impossible to point to anything like that and be 100% certain you’ve identified the internal emotional state of an animal, it’s one of those duck things, only chickens. If it looks like a happy chicken, and trills like a happy chicken, might as well say it’s a happy chicken.
If chickens don’t get good rest, you’ll notice all the usual bird stress behaviors appearing. Feather plucking, grumpiness, pecking, angry zipper noises, etc.
So, again, it’s foolhardy to apply human states of mind to anything that can’t speak our language. But some things can be observed and extrapolated to at least be similar.
Side note: the sound a happy chicken makes when cuddling you will either melt your heart, or prove you’re an emotionless wreck. I have wept at that sound
I once had a chicken that would purr like a cat
It’s such a lovely sound :)
Mine only breaks it out when she’s particularly lovey dovey with me. And, obviously, I melt into a puddle when she does lol
Chicken owner here: you can indeed absolutely tell what a chicken is feeling because they have a wide range emotions they will loudly tell you all about.
All my birds are like this. They’re very expressive.
I know what the law says in a lot of places (law != morality), that animals are “property,” but I don’t own my companion animals. They co-exist with me.
Very, very loudly lol.
Flip the question:
How do we measure a chickens suffering?
That question has an intuitive answer if you’re honest enough.
Yeah, if hell exists these people are going there, fuck, how can you be so disgusting.
Are you vegan? If not, you support these practices.
